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Good morning bloggers.
ReplyDeleteGood morning Ruthy! Love the Deer and the Tomatoes are coming on a treat if I am not mistaken! 😊
ReplyDeleteThe back of your domain is becoming very familiar to us, Ruthy ! How lovely to see the deer - hope they don't snaffle the tomatoes when you aren't looking....
ReplyDeleteOh that’s just fab. The deer look well at home. They are a much more interesting addition to the garden than the occasional pheasant that we get.
ReplyDeleteNot for the first time, I'm impressed by Lily's admin skills, inherited from her mother, I guess. She has already demonstrated her ability to organise a successful party - remember the teen party in Elizabeth's absence which was the only one in the history of soap not to end in tears, and the surprise birthday party for Elizabeth with all the names from the past. She's obviously not afraid of hard manual work either, with the strawberry picking (same goes for Freddie).
ReplyDeleteI think it's been commented on the blog before that she seems like the natural successor to Elizabeth in running the Lower Loxley business - once she has put the current blip behind her, as Elizabeth did in similar circumstances. Is Lower Loxley set to become the Lily Pad?
I agree, mummy's little helper.
DeleteLily Pad✅
Your spot on Maryellen, and I hope you are correct.
DeleteI reckon you're spot on, long term, & that's exactly how it'll pan out ! Meantime, there's lots of explosive convolutions round the corner. Apart from the fact that Russ's wife probably does understand him only too well, he's going to be very to be scared when he finds out F. Has been caught, the police are investigating, & he covered up the college dealing, as well as having an affair with a student.
ReplyDeleteCan't criticise either E. or L. for last night. Of course, E. feels betrayed, she was ! Of course, Lily is upset at being held responsible for Freddie's mess....on it goes. Just wish E. wasn't so wet with her son. Force of habit, I suppose.
Good point Carolyn re Russ and his knowledge of Freddie's drug dealing I had forgotten that - even more still to hit the fan it seems! I just wish there was a mix in the SL ie something to be happy about and even to be amused by. Each Saturday in The Daily Mail Mag there is a write up re the following week and last Sat it was obvious that the whole of this week was to be "doom and gloom".
DeleteIn olden days Dan & Doris worried about the family but they did also have some happy family gatherings and laughs from Walter and Nelson etc. These days it is all about PC and getting every possible modern day scenario into the scripts (and as noted here before) even if it means altering a characters personality to do so....😡
Why is Lily having to do so much admin work? Doesn't Elizabeth have an assistant called Georgina?
ReplyDeleteI can now see why Jolene and Kenton are a match, base sense of humour.
Stupid was the key to last nights episode.
Freddie, thick and stupid.
Elizabeth, over protective and stupid.
Lily, young and stupid in love.
Jolene, stupidity doesn't know her daughter.
Fallon, stupid because she is marry Harrison.
Harrison, ploddingly stupid.
Jazzer, the only bright spark in 13 minutes.
I don't know why I keep on listening, we seem to be having one shouty trauma every day.
Correction. J. Stupidly.
DeleteI think the assistant, who took over from Roy, is called Geraldine - not that she seems to do much around the place.
DeleteStill feel (as I indicated in my piece last night on the old blog) that Elizabeth is doing that Archer thing of favouring one child over the other. Must be a family trait.
Ruthy that's some back yard you have there 😀 what a joy it must be to sit and relax in a chair and watch the deer etc potter by!
DeleteStasia - Lily is freeing up Elizabeth to deal with the extra burden resulting from Freddie's drugs charge.
DeleteThe only thing I think you got wrong in the penultimate comment on the former blog,Archerphile was when you thought Elizabeth would have called Freddie"Love"
DeleteTut tut.
He is "darling"
"Love" is what we common northerners call everybody.
Lily is an emotionally immature young teenager, just like her twin, but intellectually brighter. Elizabeth is quite happy to hand over the reigns to Lily who she perceives to be a capable young woman. Whereas Freddie is still a boy getting into mischief.
DeleteThis reliance on Lily has clouded her ability To understand her daughter's needs.
Poor Lily old before her time, vulnerable to emotional exploitation.
I have mixed feelings about the deer photo as I have been diagnosed with Lymes disease after being bitten by a tick in June. It is curable with antibiotics so if you have any doubts about a bite go to the doctor straight away.
ReplyDeleteGood advice Gianna and sounds as if you did so - thank goodness. How long will your recovery take?
DeleteSo glad you discovered you have Lyme disease in good time Gianna. Hope you make a swift recovery
DeleteRuthy, the deer in your garden (or should that be backyard?) are very pretty. How lovely to be able to watch them from your porch.
ReplyDeleteI’m afraid I dread the local Muntjak deer coming into our garden because they do so much damage. They are almost like goats and browse on any plants they can reach, ruining some of my prize shrubs. Almost as bad as the pesky rabbits who are my sworn enemy
Lovely to see the deer passing by Ruthy, but suspect they don't ruin your plants as described by Archerphile as you seem to be above ground.
ReplyDeleteFirst or second floor perhaps ?
We have deer also Muntjak and Roe, and I seem to be lucky enough to encounter them fairly often. They do get into my neighbours garden, but would not be able to get into mine. Nevertheless I am very aware that I have to check my cat for ticks.
Gianna, Lymes disease is becoming more and more prevalent hear too.
I do hope your condition improves. It is a terrible disease.
Gianna -.so sorry to hear you have Lyme disease. Yes, we are ambivalent about these deer. They carry tices that carry Lymes and now we are hearing the Lone Star disease (I won’t go into it here - but another bad one to get - google it.). I have had two car accidents, no bodily injuries, but a lot of car damage. We see deer around our neighboring towns frequently , and I don’t walk on that lovely grass. They will eat pretty flowers and shrubs indiscriminatively, My patio is high enough that they don’t get up here. But to see a mom with two babies, it is still precious.
ReplyDeleteGood luck with your recovery. I hope it was caught early enough.
Back TA - oh my goodness. What’s wrong with Elizabeth!? Talk about not knowing the twins. First Freddie with dealing drugs, now completely aliening Lily, who has been so helpful at LL. Though Lily didn’t have to play the drama Queen and run out of there. She should have stood her grounds with Mom and come out with the whole truth with Russ/Ross.
ReplyDeleteThanks for all your good wishes. Yes it was caught early and I haven't had any symptons.
ReplyDeletePleased to hear that Gianna.-your later comment not your earlier one of course.
DeleteI was treated for Lyme disease. By the time I saw a doctor (about something else), the rash had gone, and I was extremely fortunate to have a GP who believed my self-diagnosis (from Googling 'rashes' and the like) and gave me anti-biotics. (I should have photographed the rash, but I didn't think of that at the time.) Easily dealt with, but it does, definitely, need to be dealt with, as it can cause major problems years later.
DeleteLovely picture Ruthy. I love seeing deer when I visit the New Forest. Once a whole herd of 20 plus made their way across the heath to graze close to our cottage. However they are a mixed blessing. Lyme disease is a real worry and glad to hear Gianna that you are alright.
ReplyDeleteRe the Archers like others I felt angry with Elizabeth last night indulging her son all week and dropping her work to dash over to him with brownies etc (hopefully not with any special ingredients) sorry some might not like that joke but my point is she is all over the place with her response. She told him to tell the truth then backed away easily and started fussing about him not going out. I know she’s had a shock but really...and I don’t blame Lily for storming out when she’s been holding the fort although I expect it was more to do with avoiding spilling the beans about Russ.
I was looking forward to hearing Jolene again but what an implausible story. I can’t imagine my mother organising a hen night but I suppose Jolene is hip and cool.
I think that Jolene + Fallon, are like older/younger sisters. I am sure that Jolene, will not let Fallon down.
DeleteAs for Jazzer - I love him and is my favourite character (at the moment).
Ruthy. Thank-you for yet another, lovely photo of your garden. Do the deer appear often and do they do any damage?
ReplyDeleteBack to TA. I am very suspicious as to Russ. He knew that Freddie was dealing, while at the same time he was "seducing" Lily. I am thinking along the idea, that Russ is somehow involved with Ellis.
I will accept, that my imagination is over-active again.
I do though wish, that Freddie would just tell everything, get it off his chest, and then just accept the consequences as to his actions.
Miriam, He did know about Freddie's dealing, but I think He groomed Lily rather than seduce her.
DeleteI said "seducing" as I felt that "grooming" was not the correct phrase.
DeleteFurther to my comment at 4.34pm.
ReplyDeleteLily is in need of affection but has to some extent been lumbered with looking out for her inadequate brother, who appears to be getting it in bucket loads from Elizabeth whilst she (Lily) has had to take care of LL.
Her neediness has been spotted by Russ who has exploited and used her, and now she is having to take the blame for not snitching on her brother. She tried very hard to get him to stop, but he discovered her involvement with the Deputy Principal and then threatened to tell about the affair. I don't think it is appropriate for Elizabeth to project her anger about her son's dangerous behaviour onto Lily, as an adult he is responsible for his actions.
Lily is the one who needs rescuing, however She is now on the receiving end of Elizabeth's anger. Whilst at the same time Elizabeth is mollycoddling her criminal son.
Lily has every right be feel aggrieved, but Russ won't be the knight in shining armour.
Ruthy the deer are heart warming.
stasis - love your use of "mollycoddling" !!!
ReplyDeleteIt is a lovely turn of phrase, which I am sure, many of us now do with younger generations. I admit, I am guilty of this! I feel for Elizabeth, as she loves her son, and cannot yet truely believe what he actually has been doing. It is lucky that there has not been a more sinister outcome.
DeleteIn my communication from CPRE today was the news that the government has closed a loophole which has previously allowed developers to backtrack on their agreement to build a certain number of affordable homes.
ReplyDeleteI do wonder if the TA team are aware of this new development in the housing sector, and wonder if Jim will become aware of this and facilitate Emma to challenge the recent decision with the local planning authority.
That would be The Archers at its best!
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ReplyDeleteI have a recommendation for anyone who has been missing Carol Tregorran’s voice on The Archers recently.
She, or at least Eleanor Bron, will be reading this week’s Book at Bedtime on Radio4, 10.45pm this week.
And the book? One of my all time favourites - Elizabeth Taylor’s “Mrs Palfrey at The Claremont”. Perfect late night listening and very amusing in parts, ideal for those of us who are of a ‘certain age’
Enjoy!
Thank-you. I have not read the book, but I know the story as I have seen the film. I will download all the episodes, to listen in one go. It will be nice to hear "Carole T" again, even if it not in TA. I would love to hear Carole and Jill having a tete-a-tete, with tea + cake about both Freddie's and the Shula/Alistair, sitiations. Plus the other Brookfield residents thoughts.
DeleteMe too Archerphile.j
DeleteI think it was Celia Johnson playing the part of Mrs P when I saw it on TV .
It has been one of our Reading Group books.
I seem to remember an incident at No.1 The Green, when Johnny was hit by a brick. tossed through the window. Is this significant, as wasn't Freddie there, at that time, or is it another TA "red herring"?
ReplyDeleteIt was Ellis, wasn't it, who threw the brick, & Freddie certainly was there & it was done to put the frighteners on him.
ReplyDeletePoor Constanza. She must be traumatised, as will Lynda be, when she discovers what has happened to her beloved Llama!
ReplyDelete"Llama-gate" with Lynda will hopefully detract from the Lower Loxely, Shula/Alistair S/Ls
Carolyn - it was Ellis who threw the rock. I don’t understand how he got off without any charges. When will Freddie come clean.
ReplyDeleteThe script indicated a woman distraught, but Elizabeth didn't SOUND at the end of her tether. Odd. Melodramatic too, 'Perhaps she's (Lily) gone for good !' TA mums tend to tread on eggshells around stroppy daughters - Pat tends to with Helen, Ruth with Pip. Elizabeth went too far, but she had some cause, the shock of finding out that Lily had known about the dealing all along, quite a betrayal of trust.
ReplyDeleteGood to know that Freddie is doing something slightly useful, helping Alaister pack up, & I hope Dan is supportive as well.
Everything is wrong. Lily has been used by Russ. There is no way to say this in a better way. The man is pathetically wrong to have a relationship with a pupil and sad that, the bright, Lily fell for him but/and.Freddies's drug dealing is so low key, in this day and age, although entirely to be censored. He is young and will learn, Nigel, his father, did iffie things in his youth and the SW's are making use of the situation. How dare Kate threaten police action on Freddie Hmmm.
ReplyDeleteHow dare Shula be so sanctimonious about Alastair. He's not gambled much and now she's telling the world about the habit.
I'd go off the rails too if I was being divorced by Shula in her present mood.
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DeleteWas it the Buttons or was it Jazzer who was responsible for the llama episode? We may never know, but what we do know now is that Harrison is a lllama whisperer as well as an ex-strippergram. What other hidden talents does that man have....?
ReplyDeleteHe's a copper and, my word, he does his duty. Well done the boy.
ReplyDeleteDoes Elizabeth think Lily is at Meredith's? The 'Perhaps she's gone for good!' seems to indicate that Elizabeth only thinks Lily might have terminally fallen out with her, not that Lily has 'done something stupid', or disappeared as Kate did in her teens. Kate was into drugs in her youth, so shouldn't have been quite so heavy on Freddie.
ReplyDeleteI think that Elizabeth does think that Lily is ar Meradith's and because she doesn't know about the Ross situation she has no reason to believe that Lily would do anything stupid.
ReplyDeleteHowever like Carolyn I don't think that Elizabeth sounded distraught.
Another thing.
She doesn't appear to know anything about Meredith.
When Lily first mentioned her Elizabeth would naturally have asked where she lived,what her surname was etc.
Didn't she wonder why Meredith never came to Lower Loxley
There is no use in her 'phoning the College because although the Office staff will be there they won't be able to tell her anything because of "data protection"
Only one thing for it-call on Superbridegroom to sort things out.
Why on earth did Jolene want to go to her daughter's hen night?
ReplyDeleteBecause it makes her feel young, because as someone said she thinks she's Fallon's sister; how come she knew about Harrison's strip past, he only told Chris.
DeleteIt's so tedious right now, so we get a llama thrown in...
At least it wasn't a shouty episode.
DeleteI went to my daughter-in law's hen night, as did her mother and the four bridesmaids. We went out to dinner and then on to a night club, which I found enjoyable although dreadfully noisy.
DeleteI went to my daughter's hen night too, also her step mother, mother-in-law to be, and the bridesmaids and we had a great time. First a visit to the spa in Bath (rooftop swimming pool with terrific views). Not really my favourite thing as I dislike being immersed in water and can only just swim, but the rest of them enjoyed it! Then on to a cocktail bar (as Fallon and co.) to explore the cocktail menu, and after that, a delicious Italian meal with lots of wine at Jamie's restaurant. The only drawback? Having to escort my fairly drunken eldest daughter home on the train. No llamas in the garden next morning though :D
DeleteSarnia/Suz. Both sound wonderful! Can't wait for my daughter to tie the knot. Just hope I won't be too far into my dotage. Nothing more unbecoming than an elderly woman who can't hold her drink, shuffling and struggling home on the arms of several youngsters! (Or even carried!!) 😌
DeleteOne of my niece's Hen "Do" involved "Burlesque Dancing" after cocktails! Just imagine it!
DeleteWhen actually is THE wedding?
ReplyDeleteOf course we didn't have hen nights 50+ years ago.
I don't think there were any Night Clubs around either and of course I wouldn't have dreamed of getting a taxi - couldn't have afforded one .
That is another thing.
Are the bridesmaids etc expected to pay for their night (s) out?
Some of these hen nights in foreign Countries must be very expensive
I read recently how much a wedding can cost guests -wedding present , travel ,accommodation,possibly buying a new outfit.
As for the wedding lists that are enclosed with the invitation ..........
I was once sent a list and I couldn't have afforded ,at the time ,anything on it.
We have had a note -and even a badly written poem-saying that because the couple were already living together as these days often happens the couple would prefer money.
We recently attended a wedding which we enjoyed! (We didn't stay for the Evening Do )
Our invitation included a note to say there was a Wedding List at John Lewis.
I beetled along quickly on the first day the list was "opened" so I could have best pickings and was
told there were only 3things left on it.
I asked how that could be so and was told that most people are not so quick off the mark and actually believe there was a longer list and so the Assistant then suggests that they get a JL token which is what the couple wanted in the first place.
Clever move.
Am I old fashioned or just a miserable old biddy.
You decide.
LJ. Do what I do. I just give the Happy Couple a gift of Cash, in a card, so they can then utilise it, however they wish to.
DeleteSpeaking up here as the second miserable old biddy ( shall we start a club LJ ?)
DeleteI have never been to a hen night nor would I wish to.
Sounds horrendous to me.
I certainly didn't have one, and if either of my daughters did so, I wasn't invited, nor did I hear of them having one.
I believe LanJan that the guests do pay for the themselves.
Weddings today are a fashionable racket.
To be avoided at all costs.
DeleteHear hear.
Thanks Mrs P
I am glad I am not alone.
We will become founder members of the M.O.B Club.
Can only remember being to 2 hen nights - they were fine, just a few friends relaxing & cheering on the bride to be, but the raucous nonsense that often goes on now... can I join the MOBs, please, as you sound so much better company than a bunch of shrieking, slurring women ?
DeleteHey LanJan & Mrs P wait for me....😉
DeleteMrs P ,
DeleteHear hear .(penultimate sentence)
I replied to you but perhaps I didn't press "publish"
Thank you .
We will become founder members of the MOB Club.
Oh I see it was published.
DeleteYes of course you may join our Club ,Carolyn and Lady R .
We might have to meet during the day because until I have my cataracts removed (they are not ready yet) I have been advised not to drive in the dark..
Of course I can always take an Uber .
My 2018 luxury discovery.
Now if Rex were around I would hire him although he does seem rather busy at the moment.
Pleased that Johnny took that stance.
Well done him.
Well I too am a miserable old Biddy.
DeleteI refuse to give money neither will I look at a wedding list. I take great care and buy what I think the couple would like and like it they will . I give no receipt so they can change it. I might have done in the distant past when people were genuinely setting up home, it isn't the case today.
What a sensible young man Johnny is, maybe his stance will knock some sense into Freddie
I said Robin should have given the ring to Rex and he clearly wants it, I have a feeling that it'll end up on Pip's finger. It gave me a start when Toby mentioned the register office but it's for Rosie.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad Johnny was straight with Freddie and told him how he felt.
Re registering the baby
DeleteOnly one of the parents needs to go I believe.
I know of somebody who was born at the end of the first WW and her father was sent to register the baby and decided to name the little girl Cenotaph instead of the Christian name that had already been decided.
Only one of the parents needs to go, but if they're not married and the mother registers the birth alone, the father won't be registered as such. This happened to Ed Miliband.
DeleteI didn't know about that ,Bootgums.
DeleteOften it was the fathers in the past because the mothers were still laid up after the birth.
I think it was 10days in my day -at least!
Johnny & Toby were surely the most rational characters around tonight. Rex was wet, Pip was slow to grasp the simplest of situations, & Freddie was confirmed as a moron. Oh, Josh - I'd put him in the first group - he had a point, several valid points ( & loved the comment about unwanted pregnancies...)
ReplyDeleteI mean 'unplanned' pregnancies.
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DeleteJohnny 👏👏👏👏
ReplyDeleteI agree re Johnny and all delivered without shouting. Well said. Hopefully Freddie will start to take things seriously? Or perhaps we will have to wait until Thursday for that.
ReplyDeleteInterested to see comments about the hen night. I said the other day I didn’t see Jolene going to the hen night but clearly I was wrong. I suppose that’s because I am in the don’t like them camp. I didn’t have one and have never been invited to one either. We didn’t have evening dos way back when.
I've never been to the raucous kind of event that passes for a hen night in Ambridge. My favourite was a 'hag' night: no one was particularly interested in a male-only/female-only bash, and a good time was had by all!
DeleteWe have just had our 29th wedding anniversary on Sunday. I didn’t have a hen do and we didn’t have a night do either. A hen party would be my idea of hell. When you see them out round town with tshirts or sashes on I just cringe.
DeleteActually I hate weddings. Wouldn’t care if I never went to one again. I’m proud to be a grumpy old woman. Can I join the club too please??
I’m not even looking forward to Fallons wedding.
Freddie is so disillusioned about his situation. Johnny good for you for standing your ground - the high ground!
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DeleteYes, well done Johnny ! Better late than never.
ReplyDeleteAnd well done, listeners (countable on the fingers of one hand) who predicted that fatherhood would bring out the best in T❤️O❤️B❤️Y! Not only a natural with the baby, but considerate of Pip's feelings, intuiting how much the farm meeting meant to her, and smoothly rearranging the appointment with the registrar so the meeting could take place to suit Josh. Not that his practical skills have ever been in doubt. I hope Rosie's parentage is fully reflected on her birth certificate. It would be unjust of Pip,to take advantage of it but not acknowledge it.
Here, here Maryellen. I was very disappointed when the baby’s name was announced as Rosie Ruth Archer with no reference to her Fairbrother parentage. I do hope this is corrected on registration day.
DeleteI meant to add that as well as looking after Pip's interests in suggesting and carrying out the rescheduling of the registry office appointment so Pip could attend the Brookfield debriefing at a time to suit Josh, T❤️O❤️B❤️Y was astutely looking after his brother's interests - since what's good for Josh and his business is good for Rex too. Plus Toby's move helped to defuse the bickering between Pip and Josh which is not going to provide a good family atmosphere for Rosie to grow up in, if it continues. I think we can add diplomacy to Toby's list of skills!
DeleteIt is the modern way. Toby will be on the birth certificate as the father. I have a great niece and 2 great nephews, all of whom have their mother's surname, as neither set of parents are married (their choice!)
DeleteIn the Philippines when married the mother's maiden surname is kept as the middle name of any children born, which I think is nice. When not married even if the man accepts the child as his and signs a paternity certificate the child is not allowed to have his name. As Ambridge is in the U.K. I hope that the scriptwriters allow baby Rose to have Fairbrother as part of her name. A child has a right, and needs, to know his/her roots.
DeleteIs Freddie the only resident currently living in cloud cuckoo land? Will he spills the beans about Ellis's involvement as the supplier, I can just hear his over indulged cry baby voice pleading, that he didn't really mean to sell drugs to anybody, "it just happened, your honour"..
ReplyDeleteWhy isn't Elizabeth worried about her 18 year old daughter who seems to vanished off the face of the earth?
Shouldn't she be reporting her missing to PC Harrison?
She isn't missing, She told her mother she was leaving, though she may not have told her where she was going, neither is she at risk . She is an adult, the police are only able to intervene if there was cause for concern.
DeleteLizzie thinks that Lily is with "Meredith", and Lily is over 18, so is a so-called, responsible adult, (who can vote!).
DeleteLily may legally be an adult and she does come across as capable and confident, but she still emotionally immature. Elizabeth doesn't know Meredith or where she lives, and made an assumption that is where Lily was heading. So all is ok because Meredith is a lesbian so Lily won't come to any harm?
DeleteWe know she is vulnerable, especially with older men who have power, and that she doesn't have the maturity to see through the lies and manipulation of the likes of Russ.
I suspect Lily has booked into B/B or a hotel and Russ is sneaking out to end the affair, which his wife now realises has been taking place over the last few months.
Poor Lily.
Oh don't feel too sorry for Lily.
DeleteShe has made a choice and she will have to suffer the consequences, just as her twin brother has made his and is now suffering.
She is eighteen, an adult now, however emotionally immature she may be.
Plenty of youngsters make poor choices because at that age they think they know best and are invincible.
They are not of course.
They then have to endure the fallout, which often includes humiliation, as it certainly will as far as Lily is concerned.
But...... it is all part of the growing into maturity journey.
And what's more, those who make the worst mistakes often grow into the wisest of adults, as well as the strongest.
Mrs P. Brillisnt.✔✔✔ At times it is better to leave "the nest" and to stand alone. It can be far from detrimental.
DeleteAlice sure has a way with her! First the appalling drunken debacle Vis-a-vis Nick and now Llama gate! Is there nothing this woman will not put her foot in! Thank goodness she's an engineer and not in public relations! 🙄
ReplyDeleteHarrison said that the whole village was out on the Green when they'd be leading the llama back, but no, it has to be Alice who was totally unaware until now to tell Lynda, who can't prove it, it's just a diversion from the wedding and Freddie, very clumsy. I don't think that a caution is available for dealing, personal possession yes, and it's not up to Harrison to decide but his sergeant.
ReplyDeleteI think Alice has a very nasty streak.
ReplyDeleteShe said she thought Lynda knew about Constanza so why mention it unless to make trouble?
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DeleteAlice you nasty piece of work! Maybe she knows who played the prank???
ReplyDeleteCourse - Lynda is made to look like such an intolerable b*tch.
Deletellama-gate - how boring
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Deletehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thearchers/entries/b23d2bf1-918d-4dda-a8ec-a24d6b8f368f
ReplyDeleteFound this posted on the BBC Archers Blog page.
DeleteYes Ruthy noticed this a week ago. It also says 'this entry is closed for comments' . Does that mean at some time it was open for comments! Mixed messages from the Beeb methinks!
DeleteThe article states that "Jeremy went on to appear as Roger Travers-Macy in the series, husband to Jennifer and father to Debbie and Adam". Roger was actually the step-father of Adam. It was widely believed that Paddy Redmond was Adam's biological father.
DeleteWell said, Muckspreader. We hope that Roger was a decent father to Adam, but he certainly wasn't his biological father. Does anyone remember why Jennifer and Roger broke up?
DeleteI noticed that whoever wrote the piece was unable to spell Fairbrother correctly.
DeletePaddy Redman, a cowman, was the biological father of Adam. However Roger Travers-Macy adopted Adam when he married Jennifer, before Debbie was born. So I suppose you should say that he was Adam's father. Paddy disappeared before Adam was born and I'm not sure that he even knew Jennifer was pregnant.
DeleteOh, OK, Spicycushion: an adoptive father is certainly a father. Do you remember that far back, or have you got a reference library?
DeleteBoth! :)) Although memory increasingly unreliable! However it does mention that in Adam's 'character' on the BBC web page for TA. I have four TA books, although the most recently published one is annoying in that there seems to be no logic or pattern in the facts given and one or two of those facts are contradicted in the other three books which are 'edited and published' by well known names associated with the programme.
DeleteI should admit a spelling mistake. It was Paddy Redmond who is the biological father.
DeleteSo taken with Lynda's utter deficit of humour & heavyhandedness with Harrison, just couldn't make up my mind about Alice - is she really a 'nasty piece of work' ? She certainly concealed her guilt from Jolene & Lynda, acted irresponsibly, but she might have genuinely assumed that Lynda already knew of the prank. The proof will be if she confesses to the wretched woman, now she knows that she's got Harrison into trouble, so close to his wedding n' all....
ReplyDeleteNoluthando might have died but she didn't as she told Peggy and Kate didn't bother to investigate.
ReplyDeleteThe llama showed no signs of distress but might have done, so it's blown out of proportion to make it nauseating.
Why should Harrison get into trouble?
ReplyDeleteAll he did was see the llama where it shouldn't be and take it back home.
What was wrong with that.?
I don't know anything about Llamas.
If Lynda and Robert go away do they just leave the llamas in a field and let them get on with it?
Do they need special food ?
I find it hard to believe that Lynda would leave them and go away.
Yes Carolyn I do believe that Alice can be a nasty piece of work.
Didn't she upset Will at Nic's funeral as well?
She is another spoilt offspring of the Aldridge family who is now married to a weak member of the Carter family.
Not one of my favourite characters.
Of course, Alice has form for doing stupid things when drunk but would she really think it funny to Llama-nap one of Lynda’s prized animals? Seems much more like something one of the lads would do, but unfortunately, letting slip about the ‘borrowing’ Of the llama, I *can* imagine her doing. There have been several occasions when she has let her tongue run away with her, notably at Nic’s funeral in front of Will. Circumspection is not one of her strong points.
ReplyDeleteSorry Lanjan, must have been typing my comment at the same time as you,and making the same point!
DeleteGreat minds,Archerphile!
DeleteYou could well both be right; jury's out for me, but, as I said, it depends on if she tells Lynda. Agreed, she was awful at Nic's funeral, & didn't attempt to make what little amends possible, just whined & complained when taken to task.
DeleteDon't think Chris is particularly weak, just not that clear sighted about the drunk handful that she is ( too close in to be objective)?
I used to like the "old" Chris.
DeleteWhen they were first married I happened to be in Canada and a friend emailed me to tell me to listen to "the best episode ever" when Alice and Chris told Jennifer that they were married.
Then Chris vanished only to return with a dreadful pseudo Gloucestershire accent .
His personality changed as well.
It was as if he suddenly realised that he was actually married to the Squire's daughter and he wasn't really worthy of her so that whatever she wanted from him he would agree to.
She was used to being spoilt by her parents and he decided he would catrry on where they left off.
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DeleteThat man ushering them in sounded very much like Alistair and since we've had 8 characters tonight plus Rosie, economies were called for. Jill will find out and have a fit. It is none of her business to tell Alistair how he should feel. If Shula had walked out on Alistair when he was gambling perhaps, what does it have to do with it now, so Jill is on Shula's "side" suddenly. Oh the cow was grateful but there was another...
ReplyDeleteA lovely gesture from Jazzer, Alistair was really moved.
What a sanctimonious old boot Jill has turned into with Alaister. Well done A for telling her it was none of her business. What a dismissive young boot Pip is with Josh, when he thought he was doing the right thing. Whatever the late great FOSO thought about our attitude to the women in TA, imo these two have shown some pretty unlikeable traits. There does seem to be a disproportionate number of females with 'over attitude' in Ambridge. Assertive - positive. High handed- not so much!
ReplyDelete✔️✔️✔️Burnham Beeches.
DeleteHow dare Jill interfere.
As Alastair said ,it has nothing to do with her.
In the circumstances I thought he was very polite
I think someone should tell Alice that Rosie has Grace as one of her names and then Alice can let Jill know.
She is going to find out anyway at the Christening so why postpone her joy?
LanJan - I can't help thinking Jill would be an ideal President for your new MOB Club (which sounds suspiciously like a street gang to me, so her flapjack- hurling skills would be an advantage.)
Deletebootgums August 15, 2018 at 3:23 PM
ReplyDeleteAll that my book says about the breakup of Roger and Jennifer is this:
Within 4 years of Debbie's birth he walked out on his family, sued for divorce and set up with his future second wife in London,
Returned briefly to Ambridge in 1991 for Debbie's 21st birthday.
Also returned briefly in 1994 for Debbie's sake following the car accident which killed Mark Hebden.
Also returned In 1992 and had a brief affair with ex wife Jennifer.
DeleteMy TA book also says that Adam has kept occasionally in touch with Roger Travers Macy. The BBC 'character' page says that Adam played up a bit when Brian became his stepfather as he was scared that Brian too would walk out on them.
DeleteThanks, Muckspreader. Oh, the old, old story.
DeleteSt. Shula - well, we’ll - at least your interfering Mom will be completely simpathetic to you, for your unknown reason for divorcing Alistair. He had a gambling addiction, and now is rearing its ugly head with all the stress he is under. My theory is Shula has been unhappy for many years with Alistair, both boring, and now is as good of time as any to get rid of him so she can find true love.
ReplyDeleteToby has been so supportive since Rosie Ruth Grace been born. Why should she be half Fairbrother?
ReplyDeleteMeant to say why shouldn’t she be half Fairbrother?
DeletePart of the answer may be that the programme is 'The Archers', so there has to be an ongoing supply of Archers. And the programme-makers seem keen on the children of unmarried parents having their mother's surname. Phoebe is an Aldridge, even though she was brought up by her father and would surely have preferred to be a Tucker like the rest of her family. Ruairi at least used to be a Donovan even though he has been part of the Aldridge family since he was little. On the other hand, Adam is a Travers-Macy, after his adoptive (as I now know) father.
DeleteRosie Ruth 'Grace Fairbrother' Archer.......when it has come full circle, it may be the end for Jill, and the way she is behaving towards Alistair, not before time perhaps.
ReplyDeleteThis SL portraying Jill as a woman lacking in self esteem / jealously because Phil was married for five minutes to Grace before her death with no time for them to even have a family together does not ring true to me. She and Phil were married for many years had 4 children together with all the joy and sometimes heartbreak that brings, plus she was always so busy looking after them and involved with the farm and WI etc that I can't see that she had time to feel anything other than happy and fulfilled . Of course there was the R & E episode but plenty of spark from Jill tonight re Alastair so glad he told her it is none of her business 👍
ReplyDeleteJazzer tonight - 👏 Full marks for kindness !
Lady R - absolutely agree with you Jazzer for being the only kindness Alistair is getting. Also Jazzer apologize for giving Alistair the tip on the race horse. All around applause for Jazzer.
DeleteAnd what is up with Pip that she’s on maternity leave, everyone picking up the slack, including Toby, and she still feels slighted that she’s not told every decision the family is making to run the farm. Good for Josh for speaking up, and he is paying rent through a percentage of commission from his sales, right.
Lady R - to be fair to the scriptwriters, there is some foundation for Jill's buried jealousy of Phil's beautiful first wife. There was that early episode in her marriage when she found a photo of Grace in Phil's sock drawer (or somewhere similar) and Walter Gabriel counselled her against jealousy. Although described as an attractive woman hersrlf when Phil first met her after Grace's death, I think you are right about the low self esteem, in this respect if no other. I thought it was interesting that Pip commented on her gran's 'second wife' syndrome - I hadn't expected the younger Brookfield crew to be aware of it.
DeleteI remember the incident of the photograph in Phil's desk drawer. It wasn't early in the marriage: Walter's wise words included pointing out that Jill and Phil's marriage had been much, much longer than Grace and Phil's and included four children. (He also said that yes, Grace knew how to make the most of her appearance, but there were lots of attractive girls around then, and she wasn't exceptional. Whether he was being strictly honest I'm not sure.) The notion that Jill had been consumed with jealousy all her married life, and so has an atavistic hatred of Fairbrothers, is quite a recent invention, and so implausible that a number of bloggers suspected she was developing dementia when she began to manifest it.
DeleteThough I do also remember a brief phase in which Phil was very enthusiastic about Heather's company. He was just being a bit insensitive and soon realised it.
Thank you bootgums for confirming what I am *always* saying on fb posts when others rail against Jill. Then others excuse her because she had "always been jealous and regarded Grace as her Nemesis" as one posted last week! Reinventions and new back stories abound sadly for we veteran listeners!
Delete2. 30 am and can't sleep so thank goodness for Ruthy's blogs!!
ReplyDeleteSo disappointed with Jill tonight. Have always been one of her biggest fans but she was totally out of order tonight. How dare she speak to Alistair like that, turning on him after having been sympathetic in the past. Even * I* feel the term 'old bag is well deserved this evening!
And I agree about Jazzer too - he seems to have real empathy with Alistair and he even bought a tear to my eye with his kindness and insight.
But I am extremely cross with Pip about her refusal to have the name Fairbrother on Rosie's birth Certificate. I cannot understand her not allowing the father's name as a second or even third name. Why? She wants Toby to hang around and help with the baby, and he is obviously proving to be a devoted father so why not grant him the courtesy of acknowledging his parenthood.
I don't care what FOSO would have said, I really do not like Saint Pip!
I expect T❤️O❤️B❤️Y will be acknowledged as the baby's parent in the 'Father' column on the birth certificate, but I agree it would have been courteous to include Fairbrother in her list of names. My family history book says children who arrived before their parents married used to be given the father's surname immediately before the mother's, so when the marriage (hopefully) took place, the mother's surname could quietly be dropped!
DeleteMaryellen, wth reference to whether Jill could become the President of our MOB Club,I will of course have to consult the other members.
DeleteAlthough as yet we have no rules,I would like to think that one of the criteria for membership is to have a sense of humour as well of course of being "jolly good eggs"
I think Jill's is sadly lacking on both counts.
We haven't even heard that maddening chuckle recently.
Rosie might well live another 90-100 years after Jill has died so it would be wrong to deprive her of a lovely name because of Jill.
.........and yes,I agree that she should be a Fairbrother Archer.
I would like her to be a straightforward Grace Fairbrother Archer and then when she has to fill in forms in later life it will be less tedious.
When she meets Prince George at whichever Uni they both attend and later marries him she can become Princess Grace.
Now what could be nicer than that?
Lanjan, this is probably nothing whatsoever to do with me, so don’t feel obliged to answer - but what is the MOB club? I must have missed something and I am intrigued. 🤔
DeleteWhen Rosie grows up she may well choose to be called Grace with both her parents surnames to follow in whatever order and by then Jill may no longer be on the scene.
DeletePoor infant, to be growing up trailing so many names, given to please family whims (+ one to be hidden, in case great grandma throws a wobbly !) For goodness sake, Rosie R. G. Is not a royal, or of the aristocracy, where there's some significance attached to name continuity !
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely with all who condemn Jill's impertinence & unkindness, applaud Alistair not having it, & Jazzer for his timely & sensitive support.
At least she has plenty of choice and can choose the name she likes and forget about the others.
DeleteI think if Jill had made her speech to Shula in a supportive way it would have been more convincing and moving as was Jazzer’s gesture. This habit of folk confronting each other is becoming tiresome to me.
Re Alice, I think she is another character with a personality change. She was portrayed in contrast to Kate when she was growing up as less impetuous and level headed and very likeable I thought, when she opted for the local college and her friendship with the vicar’s daughter whose name just flew out of my head, was well portrayed. She fell silent for a while and came back drunken and mouthy.
I feel the same about personalities being changed to fit in with the storyline, very frustrating. I'm also getting very weary of all the confrontation.
DeleteMe too Cheshire Cheese! Jill was a competent farmer's wife, President of the WI, stalwart of the flower arrangers at St Stephen's, went to church because she believed in it, kept chickens and a vegetable plot and cooked hearty meals three times a day for at least six people! Wise and loving throughout to her children, husband, relations and friends.
DeleteShula was a kind intelligent, thoughtful daughter ( a bit of a 'goer' in her youth admittedly but all in the best possible taste.) Editor in chief Vanessa Whitburn started the change in her character with her affair with Richard Locke and the character has become more shrewish and unpleasant as time has passed.
Alice is, as Seasider says, yet another personality change. Her and Chris were such an unlikely couple but so much in love and fun loving they were a joy to listen to!
However, I think that Brian is the biggest character change though, and with a new back story! Poor Brian!
Spicy, you echo my own thoughts exactly.
DeleteJill was always something of a role model for me as my life has followed a very similar pattern (apart from marrying a widower!) Now I am just hoping I don’t end up like Jill, bitter, recriminatory, petulant and querulous. What a shame her character has been forced along these lines.
Ditto for Shula and Alice. Do the SWs/Editor not like happy, kind, pleasant women any more or is it just more interesting to turn them into shrews? 😠
Agreed, Archerphile. And I like your list of adjectives.
DeleteArcherphile,at 5.08 pm on 13tAugust I posted a comment about Hen Nights and Wedding Gifts and asked the question as to whether I was a Miserable old biddy (MOB) or just old fashioned.
ReplyDeleteWithin 7minutes Mrs P suggested we might like to form a MOB Club.
By the end of the evening we had 5 members -Lady R,Carolyn and Cow Girl had joined us.
Maryellen wondered if Jill should be our President.
I don't think that she meets the criteria to become a member (see my previous comment) but if the others agreed I would go along with it!
After reviewing what I have written today I think I will have to apply to join too :)))
DeletePlease could I have 'Dual membership' of MOB and the Jill Archer Fan Club. Did we ever abbreviate that?
I don't see why not,Spicycushion.
DeleteWelcome to our Club.
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LanJan - I thought Jill fulfilled all the three criteria for joining your club (miserable, old, biddy) but now you say members need a GSOH as well? I didn't think they coexisted but if you say so.....! As I mentioned earlier, there's no great change in her character to accommodate her lurking jealousy of Grace because a precedent for it already exists. Like the glandular fever virus that lurks in all of us, it just needs the right opportunity.
DeleteAs one of the founder members ,Maryellen,I added the one about GSOH.
DeleteOh yes indeed they do co exist
We miserable old biddies can laugh at ourselves.
Re Jill
DeleteLike her I married a widower and can honestly say I have never felt any jealousy.
She ,poor lady died before she should have done leaving a lovely man on his own.
I can't remember if Jill went to live in the home Grace shared with Phil.
I did move in with Mr LJ and one or two folk I think were surprised but it is a lovely house and although my taste is nothing like those of my husband's
first wife bit by bit the whole house has been changed and that suits us both
(I am a bit of a minimalist)
Can't understand Jill at all.
He was only married to Grace for a short time and she and Phil had four children.
LanJan - re your last sentence - none of that makes any difference to the fact that Grace was beautiful, charming and died tragically young in Phil's arms before their marriage had lost its first shine and robbing them of the children they might have had, whereas Jill was attractive, pleasant, proved a capable wife and mother - and prosaically grew old.
DeleteThank you Maryellen for putting it so well, also Spicycushion and Bootgums who reminded us about the photograph which dropped out of Jill's apron and she discussed it with Shula. It was at the time that Robin appeared on the scene and it triggered memories for both Jill and Phil - who was not a widower after years of marriage. As a founder member of the Jill Fan Club I'll give her credit where it's due, only three of us here.
DeleteIt is only comparatively recently that I remember Jill having any problem with the fact that her husband was previously married to an attractive woman who he obviously loved a lot-ie when the Fairbrother boys arrived in Ambridge.i don't remember the Elizabeth/ Fairbrother situation much at all -except for the abortion .
DeleteDoes anyone remember whether it was because Elizabeth was having an affair with Grace's half brother or because Robin was married that made Jill more annoyed about the liaison?
Back to the present.
Does Jill know that her granddaughter has left home?
Lanjan, until reminded, I had completely wiped Robin Fairbrother from my mind. I had clear memories of Elizabeth's liaison with Cameron Fraser, which led to an abortion. So I can't help on what particularly upset Jill about Elizabeth/Robin. In line with my belief that the 'Jill has always been jealous of Grace and so hates all Fairbrothers' theory is a recent concoction, I think it was probably Robin's marital status that upset Jill. How old was Elizabeth at the time?
DeleteLanJan - such a lovely thought - Prince George and Princess Grace. I will have to be creative with a photo for a future post.
ReplyDeleteEnjoying everyone’s comments the last couple of days. We are on much of the same minds about character change to fit a story line, and jus inept SL.
Off to work now. Will Check in later.
Re Jill and the memory of Grace being the first wife.
ReplyDeleteI am a first wife.
My successor became an excellent step mother and still is.
But from the beginning, approximately thirty five years ago until the present time, it has appeared clear to me that I was and still am 'a threat'.
I do not know, but have always suspected that my husband was told that if he wanted a relationship with her, he should cut all ties with me, his first wife, forever.
And he did.
My father was married but after a few months discovered that it was a bigamous marriage. There were no children.
Some years later he met and married my mother.
To the very end my mother believed his first wife to be a threat and at his death refused
to have his death announced in the local paper, because 'she might see it'.
The supposed 'threat' of memory can, in my experience, last a lifetime.
Ah but Mrs P ,you are talking about first wives who are still alive .
DeleteGrace (like Mr LJs and Phil's first wives had died so there was no threat.)
The threat was not 'what was' but 'what might have been' - did Phil ever hanker after the life and children he and Grace might have had together?
DeleteGrace died on my 1st birthday! I started listening to TA when I was in my mid 30's so I have no knowledge or feel, for the Grace/Jill/ Phil situation.
ReplyDeleteI rather think I might have some different thoughts. I actually like that the name of Grace to have been added. It is, after all, a family name, even though it is a Fairbrother one. I like family names being passed on. A friend of mine, has a grand-daughter with a middle name of Violet. This is after her Mum's Great Grand-mother.
Jill will not like it at all, but I hope that she will just accept it "grace"-fully!
Well said Miriam, clever too 👏
DeleteIf I could find a(n appreciative) 'groan' emoji, Miriam, I would. Oh dear!
DeleteThis afternoon I have been to an ex colleague / friend (too young at 66yrs) funeral, her exit music was " Barwick Green" TA! As her family said it just had to be... A group of us have been avid followers for years even though (as on here) we have got cross with it from time to time.
ReplyDeleteRIP dear Sheila 📻🐄🐖🐓
How sad.
DeleteWhat a marvellous tribute to TA that it should be played at a funeral - think I might suggest that idea to Mr A for my funeral, when it comes. It has certainly been a theme throughout my life.
DeleteThat's how I felt about it Archerphile.
DeleteMiriam - well said. It is time for Jill to keep her own feelings from influencing the new generation and allow them to move forward. Toby has been exemplary since Rosie’s birth and hopefully it will continue after the novelty of the situation has worn off.
ReplyDeleteRe Elizabeth’s abortion - I thought that was Cameron Fraser’s baby, but I don’t remember Robin Fairbrother so I must have stopped listening for a while. Did Elizabeth have two abortions?
Pleased to read your post Seasider because like you I only remember the Cameron Fraser episode, but not the RF time.
DeleteAnd Mirium agree absolutely about the name of Grace being added.
One might think that Jill could see it as a loving tribute to Pips grandfather Phil, and Toby's grandparent ( do we know which one ? ) who must have been the parent of Grace.
But as in my earlier post, some ghosts are not allowed to die.
T❤️O❤️B❤️Y's grandmother was called Helen; she was George Fairbrother's second wife and the mother of Robin. Grace was George's daughter by his first wife. He was a widower when he married Helen. (George was Phil's first employer.) Another Helen Archer was probably not a good idea. Simone wasn't popular. I don't think we know the name of Toby's other grandmother.
DeleteYou are right Seasider.
DeleteIt was Cameron Fraser.
Wasn't he two timing Elizabeth ?
I don't think I can have been listening when Robin was around.
I fell out with The Archers for some reason but can't remember when.
I gave away all my Archers books so have had to start afresh with them.
A friend finds them in Charity Shops .
Yes CF is right re abortion I now recall, but it seems as though E & RF have history ??
DeleteAfter all the TV news coverage today, are we going to hear Freddie and Lily’s A Level results?
ReplyDeleteI also hope so. I wonder how Elizabeth will react?
DeleteSo Freddie got a D and an E, Lily 2 As and an A*, or was it an A and 2 A*s? Elizabeth seems to have forgotten to congratulate Lily, but she seems remarkably calm about the prospect of Freddie going to prison. But there are plenty of old lags in Ambridge, as well as the people who've narrowly avoided the nick, so perhaps Elizabeth is fairly blasé about the prospect.
DeleteOn second thoughts, perhaps the old lags have mostly gone away.
Good point about A level results. The students either collect from college or go on-line, since Lily is not at home Elizabeth would have to lurk around college all day on the off-chance of catching her and Freddie has his court hearing....so we may only get an “ in passing “ comment.
ReplyDeleteIs it wise to hope that if Freddie goes down he will take Ellis with him?
ReplyDeleteI actually agreed with Susan tonight when she mentioned to Chris about paying £3.40 for a sandwich! It is so quick, much cheaper and healthier to make a packed lunch, be it a sandwhich, a salad, or similar.
ReplyDeleteBacktracking here : MOBs, please don't include Jill (Sorry, Spicey, but hope she can have a separate club, because this one doesn't fit her at all - devoid of humour as she is) Saw MOBs as akin to the grumpy old men & women of TV fame, witty & self mocking whilst complaining loudly. Those who have signed up surely show by all the evidence on the blogs that they are not miserable for real, but enjoy knocking down a few idols & don't care about being PC ?
ReplyDeleteWhile I'm at it, can we leave FOSO's odd take on it out of the equation from now on ? It was always irritating, mildly offensive, & I thought it was a a curious way of, in fact, keeping the women ' in their place'. Far from gentlemanly, more chauvinistic.
Funny about FOSO that, Carolyn.
DeleteOthers have said similar I believe, but I never felt it myself, and I certainly didn't ever think he was trying to keep me in my place.
But then, I entered the world ' outside' at age sixteen, having been brought up in the world of the Salvation Army and my family.
With women equal in the SA and my mother a very strong woman, certainly equal to my father, at sixteen, I was already formed and have never recognised the patriarchal society.
No man has ever put me in my place.
Including FOSO.
It was odd that the chivalrous protection of female characters which led FOSO to accuse those who criticised them of misogyny, only applied to the younger women, e.g. Helen and Pip. Older women didn't escape his criticism.
DeleteI don't recall that he ever succeeded in putting anyone in their place here, Mrs P., but his approach has stuck in our minds for some reason ( having been mentioned a few times on these blogs).I kind of see his attitude as a (19 relic - women to remain as girls, laughing girlishly, needing advice & guidance, from men, or sometimes from 'matriarchs' like Peggy !
ReplyDeleteGood on Lily for telling Elizabeth how it is. Freddie should get a good kick up the bum from E not all this sympathy and “we must help him” malarkey.
ReplyDeleteAND.......I for one want more jazzer. He seems to be the only one with any sense at the moment.
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DeleteAnd T❤️O❤️B❤️Y!!
DeleteCarolyn I suppose Jill can't belong to her own fan club so she's on her own then! :))
ReplyDeleteRe Elizabeth and Robin Fairbrother. I don't remember much about this period in TA as well. Strange! However I googled Robin Fairbrother and it came up with an old blog from the TA website.
Elizabeth was 20 years old and Robin was 34 when they had an affair. Elizabeth referred to him as Rob and it was a while before Jill found out who Rob was. She refused to meet him but no reason was given. He was around for a while and was met by Walter Gabriel, Mrs P and Martha Woodford. He and Elizabeth had dinner with Jennifer, Caroline and Shula and all their respective partners/spouses. So recognised as a 'couple.'
Nelson Gabriel told Elizabeth that RF was married and still seeing his wife from time to time. Elizabeth rang him and was told by his wife that he didn't want to speak to her. A few days later Robin was back in Nelson's Wine Bar where Elizabeth poured a glass of red wine over him.
Incidentally I believe when Robin arrive at Brookfield two weeks ago and looking for Jill they met and without any introduction greeted each other by their names. As far as I can see Jill never actually met RF during the last time he was in Ambridge!! So how did she know who this stranger was?
It seems odd to me that very few of us remember him.
DeleteThank you Spiceycushion for the informative above.
I was certainly listening during Nelson's wine bar days, and remember Elizabeth then, but cannot recall Robin F or the glass of red wine incident.
In answer to your question re Jill ' knowing' ........ because that information has been fed to her in every way possible by the media output of the TA team over the last two or three months.
Possibly even earlier.
As I have said many times before..... they make it up as they go along....
I'm reassured that my amnesia concerning Robin is shared by others.
DeleteMaybe because the earlier Robin wasn't a speaking character - he was only ever referred to (so the BBC said in the preamble to his reappearance).
DeleteMe too Mrs P! I have never stopped listening to TA, except when on the odd holiday in the days before podcasts and catchups etc - and I cannot remember the Robin/ Elizabeth affair either. Cameron Fraser yes, in a fair amount of detail, but nothing about RF at all. The recent revelations have been just that, complete revelations!
ReplyDeleteVery strange, this collective amnesia about Robin Fairbrother, I wonder how much airtime it was actually given and what else was going on in Ambridge at the same time. Possibly something far more exciting than Elizabeth’s dalliance?
I love when Jazzer said to Susan she may not know the full story about what Shula and Alistair. Good for you Jazzer.
ReplyDeleteMe too. Thought Susan would fair jump on him for more info but seemed to totally ignore the jibe.
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ReplyDeleteI may regret this, and I won’t be surprised if no-one agrees. However, here goes. I can’t quite let go of the FOSO non-debate, as for me, at least, it brings up other issues.
I totally agree with most comments about his paternalistic, possibly faux chauvinistic attitude to the women in TA. I am not an apologist for him, but he did enliven debate in alternative areas (not so much in others!) and for that I miss his input. We appear to have very few male contributors and imvho a few more wouldn’t go amiss. (Obviously a debatable point here!) I’m afraid I want to take issue here with you Carolyn on ‘can we leave FOSO’s odd take on it out of the equation from now on?.......Mildly schoolmarmish with a hint of censorship! A mild rebuke and hopefully you will take it as such.🙂
Fair enough, BB, was aware of being bossy when writing ( who do I think I am, attempting to stifle any debate anyone else wants to pursue - in fact, just the kind of thing the man in question did frequently !) , but perversely went ahead anyway....sorry.
DeleteAgree, it would make for a better balance to have more men blogging. Not entirely sure of everyone's gender, actually, except GG( & he's always good value), but miss Sleepy Lawyer's contributions, always pleasant & thoughtfully argued, but not sure SL is a him or her either on reflection....maybe in the end it's irrelevant.
I think SL is a her but wouldn't swear to it and also felt slightly intimidated by another poster. Oh! The joys of blogging. 😊
DeleteElizabeth, wet again last night, very much with your comment, Proud t b Yorkshire, 10.53pm 16/8. Lily's stance was the only reasonable one to have, but coloured by the fact that she's still very cross with both twin & mum, somwhat hypocritically, given what she's concealing. Freddie himself seems almost unbelievably thick, mentally & emotionally, I don't know what will bring him up sharp ( certainly not Elizabeth by present showing)
ReplyDeleteGlad to hear Jazzer, A.'s lone supporter ( where's Philip these days?). I suppose we have the wedding to look forward to tonight....
Freddie does no work, is as Carolyn puts it "unbelievably thick" and yet gets two passes at "A" level.
ReplyDeleteLily is brighter yet spends her free time canoodling with Lover Boy when she should be revising and gets two As and an A*
Over 25% of candidates get the top two grades.
More pupils are taking PE at A level than are taking French.
Some Universities are bribing would be students with gifts of £1000 a year to choose them..
There are going to be thousands of unfilled University places .
There are (in my opinion) too many so called Universities,too many ridiculous degree Courses and far too many overpaid Lecturers.
Incidentally do we know to which University Lily has applied?
I remember listening to a BBC play about why Grace Fairbrother was killed off. The actress playing her was asking for changes to her work conditions (sorry can't remember what). Rather than concede to her demands they decided to kill her off. There was even an interview with the actress.
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