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Strange little retro style map this time...
ReplyDeleteThe scene at Grey Gables was excruciating with Tracy as the village idiot.
ReplyDeleteDavid's instinct is right, Pip's going to sign a dodgy deal but he was kind enough to congratulate.
But why did he thank her 'for today?' She's supposed to be working there for goodness sake!
DeleteVery good point Spicy. David made it sound as if she was doing him a favour - by doing what she is paid for !
DeletePip just rubs me up the wrong way entirely I'm afraid!
ReplyDeleteYes, but..... Spiceycushion - David was just being a nice man and a nice dad. And simply saying thanks.
ReplyDeleteCarolyn in your summing up of Helen you forgot the special vibe ........ Supercilious !
As Seasider so perfectly defined Helen's character.
Gary I love that little map.
ReplyDeletePossibly because it is retro.
Where / how can I get a copy, I want it in my kitchen please.
I wish I could help you MrsP - I just found it by trawling through Google images!
DeletePip - "I want a farm." Gets it. "I want your 500k." Gets it. "I want your land." Gets it. "I want everybody to change THEIR lives 'coz I want this baby." They do. She wants, she gets....
ReplyDeleteAll hail Ambridge's Queen of Entitlement!!!
Sounds uncannily similar to Helen, doesn't it : ' I want a baby', gets it; 'I want free accommodation', gets it, 'I want that married man', gets him, ' whoops, that went pear shaped but now I want the one who has started to date someone else', gets him, 'I wanted someone else to take my boy to karate', Emma takes him. Emma is having lots of grief, does Helen offer any support ? You must be joking.
DeleteSounds remarkably like Johnny too - I want to live In Ambridge, gets it, I want to shack up with Uncle Tom, gets it, I want a job at Bridge Farm, gets it, I want free accommodation at Bridge Farm gets it, I want an even better job there, gets it, I want Josh’s ex-girlfriend etc. One thing Pip, Helen and Johnny have in common is that they are all mighty hard workers and certainly earn the rent free accommodation that goes with the job.
DeleteMmn...fail to see any similarity between Johnny & those two women. ! He gives value added, do they ? Must have missed something.
DeleteActually, you can apply the ‘gets it’ formula to almost any young or middle-aged member of the Archer clan - but where would be the fun or informational value of the Ambridge parallel universe if no one ever got what they wanted?The difference between Johnny and the two.women is that they are more independent and go ahead in their thinking eg. setting up the cheese business, the milking parlour. They are proactive, Johnny is reactive.
DeleteI find the fact that Helen & Kirsty seemingly fail to exist outwith whatever relationships they are having to be rather troubling - I can't really remember the last time either of them having a conversation that didn't mention "their" men! Would they pass the Bechdel test? I doubt it...
ReplyDeleteWell, ''twas ever thus !
ReplyDeleteChristine wanted horses and got them.
Phill wanted the farm and got it.
Jack wanted the pub and got that too.
Phil and Christine were grafters and made successful businesses and were able to pass those businesses on along the family line.
Jack was a wastrel but had a canny East Ender wife.
The two daughters of that union made their own way in life, Tony has grafted for ever and still is, albeit as a hobby.
And on and on and on.......
It's called 'The Archers '
PTBY _1.13 pm, i cannot belive what I have heard! Gill making mince pies, Leonard doing the mixing?- what the heck was that all about?
ReplyDeleteI forgot to listen earlier! Will fall asleep to the strangeness of it later...
DeleteCan someone tell
DeleteMe what the mince pie business all about? I’ve seen negative comments about it elsewhere but I didn’t hear any such thing last night!
What have I missed?
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DeleteThere is a 9 minute episode of the noises of Jill making mince pies. Someone is helping her and she’s talking to them about making mince pies.
ReplyDeleteThe episode was there in my “my sounds” list in the sounds app. It was available from yesterday.
On Sunday (I think) Clarrie came home from work to find the boys’ attempts to make mince pies and gingerbread men for Grundy World. She was about to show them how to do it properly but they engineered their escape. Luckily Emma called and lent a hand, and they rebonded over the jelly buttons.
ReplyDeleteClarrie had just got up and came downstairs but never mind, as PtbY explained it wasn't in but outside the Archers.
DeleteYou mean It was Archers Extra? I thought that had stopped but must admit I haven’t paid much attention to anything beyond the Sun-Fri evening slot.
DeleteNo, it was on Sounds, I have not seen/listened.
DeleteSo Roaman does impressions. .pity he can't master Sean Connery, he could have called himself "Roamin in the Gloamin"😄😄
ReplyDeleteA result on Friday!!!
ReplyDeleteWill Dozey! Dippy and Dimwit understand what they are committing themselves and Ambridge to, when they get Rewilding Done?
An agreement with a man whom nobody trusts and has 🤥 lied to get his own way.
DeleteOne of them has been warned, so if they fall for it they'll be rewilding till the end of time.
Delete"It'll end in tears...you mark my words" as Clarrie would say
DeleteOr not - Justin will certainly have a break clause!
DeleteThe mince pies episode is on sounds.
ReplyDeleteIt is part of the 'slow' radio theme.
Stasia 9.38am
I can think of four men who can own up to your comment
D......... T.......
J.......... E........
B........ J.......
J........ C........
only one of them fictional.
.Hey up Maryellen9:38 pm yesterday the 10th
ReplyDeleteWhat is all this about Johnny?
Johnny is Pat and Tony’s grandson.
Pat went searching for him.
He didn’t make the first move
We don’t know whether he pays rent to Pat and Tony but even if he isn’t ,I bet a lot of children aren’t either, like Helen
He is a very hard worker as you say and is certainly worth whatever he is being paid.
What have you got against him?
He is one of the kindest ,most genuine blokes in Ambridge.
He may not be a leader but I would like to have him in my corner
He would be the first Ambridge resident I would pick for my side.
Was Bella formerly going out with Josh?
I don’t remember that.
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DeleteLanJan - I was pointing out parallels between Johnny’s situation and Helen an dPips, and indeed most of the Archer cal present and (as Mrs P pointed out) past. The Archers are on the whole hard workers, and get what they want. It was Josh who reminded us he was with Bella before Johnny was, when talking to Ruth.
DeleteEmma works harder than any of the Archers clan but rarely gets what she wants.
DeleteThis is a test as the comment I made yesterday is not on this blog.
ReplyDeleteOh sorry Maryellen ,I didn’t realise that Bella was once Josh’s girlfriend.
ReplyDeleteMrsP.12.27pm
ReplyDeleteI couldn’t possibly comment either. Double entendres in the Archers, heaven forbid.
Friday the 13th, unlucky for some, as the caller says in a game of bingo.
Didn’t think Bella was with josh before Johnnie. They were both lusting after her and she chose Johnnie.
ReplyDeleteJohnnie is a most mature, kind and hard working young man.
I think you are right about Josh lusting, he doesn’t have an emotional bone in his avaricious body. Jonny is kind and hard working, or is worked hard? But he is not mature, not yet.
DeleteStasia......he’s more mature than the older Freddie, rauri, Ben , Pip or Toby.
ReplyDeleteOn my opinion of course. 😉
Only my opinion😉. Lol.
ReplyDeleteThat's my opinion too!!!
DeleteMaturity will come with independence which 21 year old Johnny has not yet achieved.
DeleteIn that case there's barely a single adult in Ambridge that HAS reached maturity yet maryellen!
DeleteWe might be defining independence differently, Gary!
DeleteI think you may be right maryellen!
DeleteIt seems that Bella dumped Johnny because he was getting too mature for her unlike the lighthearted Josh, who effectively said: but I liked her first, just like Rex who liked Pip but Toby got in there first, a lot of "joshing" going on in Ambridge.
ReplyDeleteI reckon Johnny is quite mature & it was a wonderful thing for him & them, when he was 'discovered', got on so well with his dead father's family, & found his metier, in farming. He had a good family with mum & stepdad, but was a bit lost as a 16-17yr. old, not an academic achiever, with severe dyslexia, unsure how to proceed. Tony encouraged him to go to agricultural college, & he thrived. I suppose he's 20 now, like the twins, maybe 21, but more together & purposeful than either of them.
ReplyDeleteHis SL is very positive.
A lot of angst tonight, Hannah and Neil, David and Kenton and finally Jim and Robert.
ReplyDeleteHe just needed mummy to cuddle him and I certainly didn't appreciate being inside his and Lynda's bedroom. Why have they turned him into such a sissy.
Hannah to be sacked tomorrow? Does she REALLY think that's how you speak to your boss? Wow....
ReplyDeleteHi Gary. She should have been sacked immediately. Tomorrow is too lenient for her.
ReplyDeleteHang on, chaps! We don’t yet know what caused the tail-breaking, and if it was down to something Hannah did or didn’t do, did it constitute a sackable offence, espionage set against her previous good record.
DeleteIf any of my employees had ever spoken to me the way that Hannah spoke to Neil this evening (or indeed on several other occasions) I would have made sure that they lost their job. I am not a man who looks for confrontation but I would never let someone with such a bad attitude and sense of embitterment talk to me like that. I also believe that Neil is not handling her behaviour correctly - he IS partly to blame for the situation.
ReplyDeleteNonetheless, I would have sacked her in a New York minute! People like Hannah are 10 a penny & as replaceable as one of the pigs....😏😉
Exactly,Gary.
ReplyDeleteMy thoughts entirely.
Dreadful woman.
Very much agree,. Unfortunately, Neil is out of his depth with this woman, I doubt he's ever come across anyone like her before.
DeleteShe certainly wouldn't talk to JE like that, would she? All polite & (apparent, but probably spurious) efficiency there, more to gain from him, whereas Neil is easy to flummox & expendable - she intends to 'expend'with him !
The scripts have livened up very noticeably these last few days, not so humdrum & predictable, making for better entertainment, but not sure how successful it is yet.
ReplyDeleteWe've seen a harder edge to Johnny, trying to combat his heartbreak, Helen actually managing to tell Lee her story ( some of it, but I bet not all...), Whole hearted warmth between Emma & Clarrie, away with the tentative overtures, Will & Ed acting like brothers at last...on it goes.
Neil & Hannah, true to form though - the honest pigman versus vicious harpy, & JE playing his devious cards close to his chest.
Not sure where I'm going with this, but definitely a different feeling about TA.
More tabloid?
Deletecarolyn, I think we can ALL agree that there is nothing worse than a broken Johnny....😉
ReplyDeleteI suppose the rise of Hannah, the way she speaks to Neil, and differently to Justin, her attitude, particularly as she formerly worked in the States, may well be a long way round by the SWs, of illustrating how an older worker, with a lifetimes experience and an excellent work ethic, can be pushed out of the workforce by a younger thrusting colleague who values their own progress above any ethical way of behaviour towards others.
ReplyDeleteApologies for a rather long sentence.
She was so aggressive in telling Neil not to blame her that my suspicion is that she is to blame. She is very unpleasant but adds to the spice!
ReplyDeleteI don't know where she gets the energy to BE so constantly aggressive Ev - it must be exhausting!
DeleteI don’t know why the S/Ws are turning nice, dependable, upstanding Robert into such a wimp!
ReplyDeleteI simply cannot believe that he could be so discombobulated by listening to Jim telling a ghost story in a darkened room.
And then , the bedroom scene with Lynda! Now we know they have separate beds but really, too much information, too much information folks!
I really, really enjoyed tonight's episode!
DeleteI know I'm a bit out of step here, but I don't have such a down on Hannah. She's competent and forthright, but has a boss who, through promotion, had reached his level of incompetence.
ReplyDeleteI am in total agreement with Ex-Londoner. Hannah is not nearly as black as listeners are painting her. In no organisation I have worked for would Her outburst have got her sacked, not even a disciplinary hearing, a word from the boss at most (similar to Oliver faced with Tracy’s far more unprofessional behaviour at Grey Gables). And what does Neil have to report to Justin about her outburst (if he does? Did she swear at him, use defamatory language? She was vehement but not abusive and more concerned with defending herself than attacking him.
DeleteI have well and truly decided that she is my pantomime villain this year!
DeleteHannah is a nasty piece of work and I hope she gets the sack rather than Neil. Daft idea to make Robert so wimpy and ludicrous bedroom scenario did not seem believable. Too much information indeed!
ReplyDeleteOh, I don't think Robert was scared - I think he was pretending to be in order to get a little magic time....
Delete"Izzy, wizzy, let's get busy Lynda!"
Oh Gary! Memories of Sooty and Sweep !
Delete😍
Robert is just susceptible to effective delivery of creepy stories - the ideal audience, in fact ! Chuckled at the ludicrous prop that Russ dumped on the set, trying to make his mark, however inappropriately, & what sort of nutty hoarder was Nigel ?
ReplyDeleteFound the bedroom scene amusing, too.
Ex Londoner (11.51pm), not entirely convinced of Hannah's competence. I realise being rude & obnoxious doesn't rule out being good at the job, but suspect there's more talk than substance with that one. We'll see ! Quite a well developed SL, keeping listeners guessing & 'taking sides', of course.
ReplyDeleteA tail biting scene between Hannah and Neil.
ReplyDeleteA tale biting scene between Jim and Robert.
😊🤣
DeleteWikipedia is fascinating on the tail-biting issue!
ReplyDeleteI was tempted to have a look maryellen, but I chickened out!
DeleteSo stress caused by over stocking perhaps, due to Justin pushing for high returns aided and abetted by Hannah who seems more interested in her own advancement than pig welfare.
ReplyDeletePlease Neil, as Rex said, make yourself heard. To deal with someone like Hannah you have, at least temporarily, to overcome your own innate niceness.
DeleteGlad you mentioned Rex, Janice, as he hasn't been such a negative drip recently. Pride might come before a fall on Friday, I suppose. It'll be a test of his resilience & character if it does !
DeleteI have a suggestion for Lynda and Robert. At their age they are no longer very agile, so why not keep the beds in close proximity for undisturbed sleep, but easily pushed together. Otherwise the magic moment may pass or they could sustain an injury.
ReplyDeleteIt wasn’t so much what Hannah said but the aggressive way she said it. Not the first time when you think of how she spoke to Emma being convinced she had jumped the housing queue. What a cheek to think a recent incomer without children should be ahead of a family who have lived there all their lives. Anyone who excuses her behaviour is condoning it!
ReplyDeleteNot only was Jolene missing through much of the summer for moonlighting in St Isaacs for ‘Doc Martin’ - today she is moonlighting again today in Letherbridge for ‘Doctors’.
ReplyDeletePerhaps Kenton should be good where his wife is!
........and she’s singing in the bar! And it’s just as bad as back in the summer!
DeleteThat tour has taken her places then...where next, Albert Hall, Glastonbury...
DeleteI thought that was her.... and she still can't sing! Just has the looks of a C &W/Folk singer.
DeleteI'll add that I didn't check credits as I dozed off as I often do nowadays!
DeleteRex giving advice, please. Is it a question of, ‘don’t do as I do, do as I say.
ReplyDeleteHe needs to examine his relationship with his brother.
I’m going to predict signing on the dotted line on Friday will not happen because Phoebe will have second thoughts, and if she reneges the other two are shafted.
DeleteHannah met her match in Justin when he told her that she knows how to 'shut up' Neil.
ReplyDeleteWhy does Brookfield need to diversify, I think David is making a mistake out of spite to Kenton's and Elizabeth's advice.
What is it about Nigel's wax dummy, is it going to land where he did?
ReplyDeleteGoodness, me I do hope not Basia.
ReplyDeleteBut if so perhaps this time with a silent scream ?
Woo hoo!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
ReplyDeleteGet in there Justin! Put that in your pipe and smoke it Hannah, you stirring, obnoxious creature😇👍
I find it hard to believe that Elizabeth is actually related to David and Kenton... wonder if she looks a bit like jills old milkman?🤔
Hooray! Justin has got Hannah’s card well and truly marked.
ReplyDeleteShe really is a devious creature but Justin has seen through her manoeuvring at last.
I wonder how long she’ll stay at Berrow? I guess she’ll be looking to move on to a new pig unit soon.
✔️👏🏻✔️👏🏻✔️👏🏻 I forgot to mention this in my later post! Wasn’t it just great 👍
DeleteYay Justin. He's sussed out Hannah and her nasty shenanigans. The tail biting issue sounds horrid. David's feelings hurt, I think understandably, after the way Elizabeth spoke to him about his 'venue'.
ReplyDeleteMaybe stick to what you know David the risk sounds too big to me after listening to Elizabeth’s caution. However after his conversation with Kenton his stubborn streak will no doubt prevail!
ReplyDeleteThen both father and daughter could be up the creek without a paddle....
(Looks like Ruth will escape cooking duties after all 😂 Jill will not been missing out as had she been at home unlikely LL would have been on the cards)
Not read other comments prior to posting but will do so now.
Have just read that Ambridge Ghost Stories are to be broadcast at 6.15 pm on 30th and 31st December , presumably on R4. Good move by BBC. Hope it’s Jim reading them.
ReplyDeletewww.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000cn0k/episodes/guide
DeleteThe Room in the Tower - 6.15pm Monday 30th December - Radio 4
Lost Hearts - 6.15pm Tuesday 31st December- Radio 4
The Monkey's Paw - 6.15pm New Year's Day - Radio 4
And yes it is 'Jim' reading/performing them.
I know all these stories so I won't be listening as I have become a right wuss in my old age!!! I often now am alone in the house, now the children are grown and flown, and I have always been afraid of the dark!
Thank you for clarifying my post Mrs P.
DeleteGood on you Justin.
ReplyDeleteIt took a bit of time but you now realise what a nasty piece of work Hannah is.
Well done Justin😁. Hannah’s now on the receiving end of a docking tongue 👅 leaving her pigtail-less. Neil managed to “grow a pair” (Lynda 11.12.19) and is now wagging his tail, keep it up and hopefully Hannah will take her pig ignorant 🤬 attitude back to the US.
ReplyDeleteIt seems Neil is in the wrong in one way or another: if he is right about the feed diagnosis, he was wrong to sanction the change, and if he is wrong about the feed diagnosis, then sanctioning the change was okay, but getting the diagnosis wrong puts his experience in question. Justin will be reluctant to admit he was unwise to appoint Neil (for the same devious reasons he is backing the rewilding project). Hannah, of course, was Neil’s appointment, so any mistake there is down to Neil. I think Justin recognises her ability and wouldn’t want to lose her.
ReplyDeleteIf I remember correctly Maryellen, Niel was overruled by Justin over the feed, I think Justin was taken in by Hannahs pushing profit. , The US where Hannah was working previously is known for its inferior standards, Justin is perhaps begining to realise The true worth of Niel.
ReplyDeleteYour memory is better than mine, Cowgirl - in which case, if Neil’s diagnosis is correct, Justin was feeling he judgment was at fault and was taking it outing Hannah. Back to Wikipedia now to find out about the docking issue.....
DeleteHannah isn't the type to take this lying down and go skulking off with her tail between her legs to look for another job. She'll be out for blood now and Neil had better watch his back.
ReplyDeleteI hope that Neil will be able to retire and Hannah can take out her frustrations on someone else.
ReplyDeleteI listened to Jill's mince pies making and wasn't very impressed, but I like some slow radio and there is The Archers eavesdrops at Marneys, which I found very pleasant, together with watching two men fix a fence outside the window.
ReplyDeleteOh Tony !
ReplyDeleteAnd after forty five years.
Why did they b****y have to do it! I ought to stop listening, I feel cheated, you'd better own up Tony!
ReplyDeleteNot with you Basia.
ReplyDeleteWhy do you feel cheated?
I thought Tony had owned up.
No Lanjan, he didn't tell the whole truth, as to where he'd been, taking pity on a needy woman.
ReplyDeleteLike a cheating husband he'd be forcing down another dinner. I feel cheated out of a nice occasion. There was only needy Helen with her new lover. It's so typical though of the Archers, at countless times they spoilt it. All I can think of was when Tony befriended a Fergie enthusiast and indirectly it led to John's death. It's still not too late to tell Pat what happened because otherwise she'll find out from the woman on a scrounge.
Tony owned up that he had forgotten their anniversary after admitting it was 44 years. Pat corrected him, 45 years.
ReplyDeleteTony did not own up that he had been with ' whatsaname ' or that he had already eaten a beef casserole ( aren't the Bridge Farm lot all vegetarians? ) and he agreed when Pat supposed that he had been at the garage with other motor heads.
Oh I don’t think that is so bad .
ReplyDeleteI think Tony did the right thing.
He was being kind to Joy ,nothing happened and why upset Pat ?
Loads of men forget their Anniversaries.
Some forget their wives’ birthdays.
Of course when Joy mentions to Pat how kind Tony was ...........
Now that might be different.
I think he could come clean about what happened - in the near future but not necessarily this evening.
Well I hope he does LJ, because that is a marriage I would not wish to be put asunder.
ReplyDeleteIn the last year I know of three, gone forty five year marriages, gone under because the seventy odd man couldn't keep it in his pants.
I would not want to see Tony Archer go the way of his sister Lilian.
No way ,Mrs P..
ReplyDeleteHe was just being kind.
I think it was simply silly that he didn't tell Pat about Joy, & share Basia's irritation at this hackneyed, forced, dramatic cliche !
ReplyDeleteAll very sweet with Helen & Lee & he did do the decent thing, confessing to the other girl immediately.
Only caught up with last night early this evening. Thank goodness Neil spoke up & Justin took his point & rumbled Hannah ! About time. Nose severely out of joint, but unless she flounces out of Ambridge altogether, which I think is unlikely somehow, too much mileage in this one, she'll have to at least give the impression of toeing the line, whatever covert plots she might hatch.
Well you’ve dropped yourself right in it now Tony. Joy will tell Pat once agin how lucky she is to have such a wonderful and kind husband and how much he enjoyed her casserole, and then 2+2 will equal 5 in Pat’s mind.
ReplyDeleteHow long this time Helen before complications start (or are we going to have a wedding this time?)
No way.
ReplyDeletePat is too sensible to believe that
We know that Lanjan but do the SW 😂
DeleteI expect Joy will offer to give Pat her recipe for Beef Casserole ‘because Tony enjoyed it so much’.
ReplyDeleteThat’s when the cat will come out of the bag. 😂
One things for sure if you live in Ambridge and you’re in you’re late 60’s, 70’s, 80’s or evening 90’s (Joe) then you will be up for much flirting - at the very least ❤️ 🤗
ReplyDeleteI'm firmly with MrsP on this one, if they do anything to this marriage they can go to hell. Ruth didn't leave David because there was a tremendous protest. Is this the way to attract a younger audience? Just as well Colin Skipp left in both ways before all this. Tony knew there was food waiting for him at the house and she said herself that they must be waiting for him.
ReplyDeleteHow about Tony takes Sorrow to buy a present for Pat and they are seen together.
That remark by Kate/Alice that Tony put a spring in her step because Peggy made him apologise for nothing - it was all fabricated and pointless.
What a depressing end to an Archers week.
ReplyDeleteI was hoping to hear Peggy listening in to the unpleasant exchanges from Justin towards Davids objections to his shenanigans, and intervene.
Another new writer I think.
I think she'll get to hear about it, Mrs P, through Pheobe, & probably withdraw the prize money !
ReplyDeleteDramatic intervention from David - great stuff.
How dare Pip turn on Pheobe, when all three of them had a clear responsibility to check the (dodgy) BL deal ? I'm not exonerating Pheobe, she obviously should have shared what her grandfather told her, was dishonest not do do so, but they are supposed to be a team & it is extraordinary that the older members just went by what the young untried enthusiast said.
Agree Carolyn, but it's been a good example of how casual all three have been about their project. Lessons on team building required !
ReplyDeleteHoped that P would intervene and withdraw prize money, and she probably will, thus extending this SL with Justin losing his rag and Lillian mollifying him.
They could keep the SL going up to Easter possibly.
Three very naive youngsters adrift in the world of big business! They were like sheep being fleeced by wolves, with Justin being the biggest wolf of all,
ReplyDeleteBut I think Peggy can get the better of him when she finds out what has happened - as she surely will. At least, I sincerely hope so.
Pity a university education doesn’t necessarily teach you to live in the real word, eh Phoebe?
Why on earth did Tony feel the need to lie about where he'd been. Obviously Pat will find out where he was and that he'd already been fed. Tony is an older man and Joy does sound desperate and he may begin to feel flattered by her attentions but I really hope not.
ReplyDeleteJoy is very needy and Tony is basically a kind man but I got the impression he was just responding to her distress rather than wanting to be with her. He also was drawn to the beef casserole which would have smelled so good! He must see that his dalliance with her would look more than it was so needs to cover it up! Hopefully if Pat finds out she will trust him enough not to be unduly worried. I hope!
ReplyDeleteI'm still angry and upset about Tony and last night was just a farce. As MrsP says Peggy will probably intervene, it's *her* storyline after all.
ReplyDeleteThree go up S.... creek without a paddle..
ReplyDeleteWhat a bunch of dunderheads. Phoebe B A Oxon.
How did she achieve that when she is clearly as thick as two short planks.
Maybe it was a first class honours in sneakology.
The two older plonkers should have known that a lawyer would have spotted Justin’s little tricks. They will certainly need a lawyer to help extract them from the mess that was getting rewilding done in Ambridge.
I enjoyed last nights episode. Good bit of drama, for a change.
Agree with last 2 sentences, Stasia, wrote as much last night, & also blame Rex & Pip as much as Pheobe.
DeleteHowever, imo, the Oxford degree is a red herring. Universities do a particular work with undergraduates, which doesn't include, per see, making them honest, loyal, unselfish. Early adulthood is a hugely volatile time of life, & Pheobe developed a thing about this rewilding project & wasn't to be stopped ! Yes, she has, supposedly, learnt to 'think for herself' but that's not the same as wisdom or common sense, both of which come from experience, if at all, not from intellectual ability or advanced knowledge in a particular subject area.
As for the other two, they were just reprehensively lazy.
I wonder what the scriptwriters have up their sleeves for us next week, in the lead up to Christmas.
ReplyDeleteI hope for Peggy to find out about Justin’s double-barrelled dealing over the rewilding scheme and to intervene - probably with the help of her scheme administrator, Lilian
For Tony to tell Pat the whole truth about their anniversary night and for her to understand.
For Lynda to butt out of interfering with Jim’s ghost stories (a faint hope, I think)
For Hannah to decide to go back to the US and farm pigs there
And for a bit more cheer and happiness all round. Especially for Johnnie
I really struggle to understand why the three idiots didn’t get some legal advice about the contract, especially when dealing with someone they know to be a pretty sharp dealer, after all Justin has been around for some time.
ReplyDeleteI know there is such a thing as a "cooling off period" where parties can change their mind after they've signed.
ReplyDeleteThere are restrictions though and I don't know if it would apply in this case.
It might be their only chance to get out, although they really don't deserve to.
Carolyn 10.22 am.
ReplyDeleteI agree that a degree from anywhere, even Oxford, doesn’t make anyone honest, but it does and should encourage the skill of analytical 🤔 thinking. Phoebe should have been able to problem solve by taking a methodical approach to breaking down the complex problems that would arise from such an ambitious scheme. With a degree in PPE she would have the skill to extract comprehensive data and identify those solutions that would deal with any possible obstacles.
She brought the other two into “her” project, and I can understand involving Pip, she at least has farming knowledge. But what was the purpose and role of having Rex included, unless he was expected to be the donkey?
Phoebe obviously saw her role as Project Manager, thereby giving her ownership of the scheme.
So will she be the one to accept the blame once they all realise what a mess they’ve got themselves into? She had rather opportunity to warn the others but flunked it.
Delete*the opportunity*
DeleteI think Phoebe was on the verge of expressing the doubts Brian had planted but Pip had gone from being worried about Justin to being in favour of the deal so Phoebe said nothing.
ReplyDeleteYes Phoebe was on the verge of telling of her doubts but chickened out when Pip chimed in. She should still have insisted on telling what she had heard in the interests of honesty if not common sense. Hopefully Peggy will be able to step in and 'save' those silly young people.
DeleteI cannot understand why Pat needs to be told about what happened or didn’t happen on their Anniversary.
ReplyDeleteTony wasn’t the first person to forget his Anniversary and he won’t be the last.
However this is “The Archers” and of course Joy will mention it to Pat .
In “real life” Pat would believe what Tony will tell her about his visit to Joy’s
but this isn’t real life.......
I really hope the SW don’t go on with this .
.......but they will.
Because it would be better for Tony to tell Pat the truth about staying with a distressed Joy and eating her casserole than for Pat to hear on the grapevine, or from Joy herself. That would make her wonder why Tony had hidden the facts and make her start suspecting him - totally unnecessarily.
DeleteTony concealed the truth from Pat and it'll come back to haunt him.
DeleteStasia (4.12pm), I agree in theory with all you say, & it is odd, given her PPE degree ( nothing arty farty about that!), she didn't scrutinize the deal - for heaven's sake, she knows better than the other 2, surely, how to scrutinize the clauses & spot the flaws waiting to trip them up & make them slaves to BL.However, immaturity, & passion for the cause, got in the way of her honed analytical skills ! She was not cool & objective. Learning & knowledge beaten by character & emotion, in the face of a real life situation as opposed to learning in the lecture hall, seminar & private study.
ReplyDeleteAnd in addition it makes a better story and strings the whole Peggy’s Prize event out even longer!
DeleteSceptical? Moi? 😉
Sorry Archerphile, I disagree.
ReplyDeleteWhy make a mountain out of a molehill?
Will Pat think that Tony “doth protest too much” and make more of it than she should?
If Tony does mention it ,the script writers will be clutching at straws if they continue with this storyline.
Why should Tony cross bridges when he doesn’t need to?
He has nothing to confess to.
Who else but Joy will say anything to Pat ?
If Joy mentions it ,Pat will think that Tony was just being kind to a lonely woman and will think no more about it.
However we are talking not about real life ,
Having listened to the ruthless, uncaring, triumphant JE after the signing of his dodgy contract I find it reflected in the way some so called powerful people can control our destiny. Too late maybe but possibly a good lawyer could find a loophole in the contract to checkmate JE and co. The naivety of Phoebe in going it alone is breathtaking and the improbability of these three winning the contest has even more emphasis!
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Well put G G !
ReplyDeleteDavid was stunned when he found out from Pip about the BL land and rightly so.
ReplyDeleteBrian told Phoebe to consult the lawyers but the young know better how to grow wild.
Until they need the adults to bail them out
ReplyDeleteHenry will be pleased. I expect Tony will invite Joy too.
ReplyDeleteI was reminded elsewhere that Peggy’s money is a charitable trust. Charities are not allowed to make profits so Justin would not be allowed to cream off 70% of any money made on the rewilded land.
ReplyDeleteSeems to me that Peggy needs to get her lawyers to check this agreement between Justin and the three unwise monkeys thoroughly.
I don’t understand Archerphile - Justin, ie. Borchester Land, and the Trust are two separate enterprises and the rewilders are a third one. The Trust is a non-profit making body.
DeleteNo, I don’t really understand either Maryellen.
DeleteI think it is something to do with the fact that Peggy’s money has been
0awarded to set up the rewilding scheme to benefit the village. But with BL’s input demanding 70% of any profits *instead of them being re-invested in the scheme* it has become (partially) a business, rather than wholly a charity endeavour.
This is not my area of expertise, so I may be totally wrong, but I think that any money made during the rewilding is supposed to be ploughed back into the scheme (sorry!) rather than into BLs pockets.
I have just received a tweet from the actor who plays Lee! It was in response to a rather rude message I posted on Twitter about Helen's fondue..... I'm thrilled beyond belief!
ReplyDeleteOh, Gary! What did he say? Was he offended on her behalf?!!🍨🍫🍮💑🥰😉
DeleteI wouldn't fancy tiramisu on Christmas Day and actually on any day. Can't beat Christmas pud IMHO with lots of mince pies. Which brings me to the Jill Archer baking mince pie thing. I found it rather strange with no responses to whoever was supposed to be with her. Weird.
ReplyDeleteAnneveggie.... yes I found Jill talking to herself really weird. Certainly didn’t make me think “ooh I must get up and make mince pies”.
ReplyDeleteMore like “ what a bloody faff, I’ll go down the shops and buy a packet”.
😂✔️👏🏻😂✔️👏🏻 ptby!
DeleteLee sounds like he has been corralled by a much older woman. Baby snatching comes to mind.
ReplyDeleteHe would be better playing Ben or Ruairi.
He sounds about fifteen. I don’t believe he has two children.
He certainly weedled his way in for a free Christmas dinner.
DeleteYes, he’s got his feet under the Bridge Farm table. Is he after her money?
DeleteOh no! Not another character being suspected of having eyes on the money! 😂
DeleteYes, like most male newcomers - Rob, Justin, Leonard, Russ - now it’s Lee’s turn to fall under suspicion......
DeleteThe actor playing the part of Lee (Ryan Early) is 40 yrs old but not sure if that corresponds with the characters age....
DeleteAnd as Maryellen said the " you hold on to him Pat" bundle of Sorrow may also end up at Bridge Farm at Christmas.
ReplyDeleteSounds like Pat will be recreating her Christmas at the homeless centre a year or so ago - feeding the waifs and strays. She’s got the experience, so hope she gives them all a jolly good Christmas meal - and the visitors do the washing up!
DeleteI think the S/Ws have deliberately developed Lee to be the opposite of Rob.
ReplyDeleteBut that approach has created imo, an image of a wimpy wet afternoon character.
When what they intend is to portray him as caring and kind and gentle, even though he is a karate expert.
Rob deep masculine middle class voice, Lee squeaky no class voice.
I have worked with physiotherapists and it takes four years to complete a degree and then further training and supervision. We are being given the impression that he is less educated than Helen and less sophisticated.
Did they actually seek out a physio and find out what it is they actually do?
Very insightful Stasia. Lee sounds like a love-struck teenager. Helen is nearly 40 and I imagine him to be of a similar age.
ReplyDeleteI found it strange that he wanted to go shopping with her....crickey what man volounteers to do that!
ReplyDeleteAnd for pity's sake Helen less of the awwwwws .we practically had one in every sentence last night...so false.
And what about Lillian marching in like a stormtrooper. I had completely forgotten that she was the administrator for Peggy. Where has she been for the past month.?
ReplyDeleteIsn't there a conflict of interest here now that her partner is involved?
The other parties who put forward proposals could very well have a complaint.
Am one who is liking Helen, sounding happy again with Lee.
ReplyDeleteIt's about time she had a loving relationaship (after Rob) and he sounds just the person. He went shopping with her, surely so to spend time together, in a relaxed way. Slowly and Surely, and why not?
As to The Three.... bet the contract they signed is legally binding, with no escape clause.
Will Peggy pass the money over?
When Ruth and Daaavids financial advisor says a big fat NO to any money coming for the barn project they can turn round and text the Ambridge Ronnie Biggs for a loan!🤣
ReplyDeleteHe seems to be conveniently not answering his phone at the moment!
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DeleteBlimey! I hadn’t previously thought of Josh Archer as a reincarnation of Nelson Gabriel but it’s beginning to look like it!
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