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ReplyDeleteHilary - July 30, 2020 at 11:32 AM
I would like to add my condolences for those among you who have suffered bereavements.
And commiserations for the health problems some of you have.
And thanks for the lovely happy pieces of news which cheer us all.
I am at present in Umbria so have exchanged rice fields on the plain for olive groves and vast expanses of sunflowers surrounded by green hills.
Archerphile - July 30, 2020 at 11:59 AM
How are the olives doing Hilary? I heard something about a disease (as if we haven’t enough already!) attacking olive trees. It’s tragic if that’s so because olive groves are so beautiful and the oil is so precious.
Hilary - July 30, 2020 at 12:22 PM
I haven’t heard the olive tree disease mentioned recently but cherry trees were affected by a disease this year and the plum tree has no fruit at all. The figs look fine but the walnut tree looks rather sorry for itself and tomatoes are not doing well.
Basia - July 30, 2020 at 12:31 PM
Ah the sunflowers! My sister and I always remark how we can eat sunflower seeds from a packet. During childhood holidays in the countryside a farmer's wife would cut a sunflower head for us and it took a lot of effort to shell a handful but the reward was well worth it!
Hilary - July 30, 2020 at 12:38 PM
My favourite picture of all is Van Gogh’s “Sunflowers”. I had a small print at university and still have it, next to “Starry Night”.
*** THESE ARE A FEW OF MY FAVOURITE THINGS ***
ReplyDeleteStasia, it's your turn! Enjoy!
Oh thank goodness - does it mean we can have a reprieve from that spooky picture above? It send shivers down my spine! 😱
ReplyDeleteI love both film versions and the book. The radio 4Extra version is one of my favourite ever series.
DeleteI love it!
I watched the trailer and found it comical rather than scary.
DeleteYeah, me too ! Horror is done better ) or worse, if you like) now
DeleteThe scariest thing about the trailer is the amount of really bad acrylic blonde wigs!
DeleteThank you Gary.
ReplyDeleteAfter the comments above, I decided to watch the trailer and although like Archerphile that picture sends shivers down my spine, I have to agree that it is pretty ridiculous and so hammy to be utterly unrealistic, and raised a wry chuckle.
ReplyDeleteHilary ....Umbria is lovely. I had a lovely 14day holiday, in a villa, plus a hire car, just 1mile north of Assisi. The region was well explored..
ReplyDelete...and we got to visit both Perugia + Gubbio. I always drove, as I find driving a LH drive car, on the RH side of the road, very easy. Also I loved buying local produce in the markets, and then cooking it.
DeleteHappy Memories, Italian style 🇮🇹
I got a brilliant recipe, (from a Mama), on one of my Italian jaunts, and I still do it, even now. It is a type of Hot vinagrette, which is brilliant with a veal escallope, a beaten down chicken or turkey breast steak, which is cooked on the griddle pan. This is made up of dried porcini (plus a small amount of the soaking liquid), normal mushrooms, chopped pancetta, loads of garlic, with a small amount of sugar...This is one of my staples, Italian style.
DeleteAs I have made quite a few comments, over the last few days, I will now try to keep these to a minimum, to save space.
This will help GG..who is just brilliant. 👏😘
Oops...I forgot the balsamic vinegar in the above, which is a key ingredient..
DeleteDefinitely going now, as pusscat is sitting, pleading as she wants feeding. 🙀
It is a lovely area, Miriam. I am a few km south of Assisi in Foligno, where the first edition of Dante’s Divine Comedy was printed in 1472 (I just checked on google!)
DeleteHers goes, again. Second attempt. Lost the first.
ReplyDeleteI decided to take a period in my life from childhood to make my choices. I have loved going to the cinema from Saturday as a child through to early adulthood and beyond.
1. Fantasia 1940 Disney. My father took me see this as a child and I was enthralled with the music and animation.
2. Misa Éire (I am Ireland). 1959 Based on a poem by Padraig Pearse. It tell the history of the republican uprising . The music by Sean o Raida is moving and emotional.
3. Bicycle Thieves. 1948 V. De Sica . A story of poverty set in Rome. The little boys face when he bites into Mozzarella en Carrozza is wonderful.
4. The Belles of St Trinian’s . A cast of very funny woman. I could watch the whole series.
5. The Prime of Missouri Jean Brodie. 1969. Written by Muriel Spark and acted by Maggie Smith. Two wonderful but, I believe, difficult women.
I could have chosen hundreds of films so had to curtail myself.
Food. Placki pronounced placki. Wonderful crispy potato pancakes topped with a soft egg. My mother’s were the best I have ever eaten.
As she is no longer alive I will have to have a curry. I love spicy food, lots of garlic and chilli 🌶.
Pronounced Plaski.
DeleteStasia, I've seen 1, 3 & 4 - I don't remember the mozzarella scene but it's a very sad film.
ReplyDeleteI'll have placki with sour cream as I've not acquired a taste for spicy food.
Thank you Stasia!
ReplyDeleteLove Fantasia & Bicycle Thieves & St Trinians. Is The Prime of Missouri Jean Brodie an American version? I have seen The Prime of MISS Jean Brodie many times.... Shall investigate Misa Eire.
The placki sounds like a rosti. If so, I'll have a dozen...
Stasia - my PC won't allow me to use emojis and there's supposed to be a VERY large winking smiley face after the Miss Jean Brodie comment!
DeleteGary. I didn’t post an emoji. I suppose Miss Brodie was a teacher who had an extremely charismatic personality, her famous saying was, “ girls, I am in the business of putting old heads on young shoulders. Give me a girl at an impressionable age and she is mine for life”. “ I am dedicated to you in my prime}. She was fascist and admirer of Italian fascism.
DeleteGary above. Otherwise known as the dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy.
DeleteI was just hoping that you knew that I was taking the "p" out of your spellchecker Stasia! My favourite Miss Brodie line is either "She seeks to intimidate by use of the quarter hour" or when she shouts "Assassin! Assassin!" at the end.
DeleteWhen someone asks me what school I went to I always reply in my best Morningside accent that I went to the Marcia Blaine School for Girls...
Don’t forget “ The Creme de la Creme” 🤗 loved that film (also the St Trinian film 🤣)
DeleteGary looked .back. How the heck did Missouri appear.😁
DeleteI'm hearing the song 'Hello Mother, hello Father, here I am at Camp Granada' in the clip 😁
ReplyDeleteThat happens to me too Zoetrope.
DeleteYes, Zoe, that was such a funny song. Funnily enough I found myself singing it in the shower the other day!
ReplyDeleteI've still got 'Windmills of your Mind' going round in my head (like a circle in a spiral/ like a wheel within a wheel'!) I can only suppose that being up there in a glider in complete silence almost has the effect of producing a state of altered consciousness so that thoughts wander all over the place and finish up going round in circles. Perhaps we should ask the expert, Mr A.
DeleteMuch as I like the song (and Noel Harrison in his day!) I'm beginning to wish it would go away.
The Thomas Crown Affair was on again the other day. 😊
DeleteStasia - I adore Fantasia. The animation was wonderful and fitted the classical music so well. I bought a DVD of the film to take out to my grandsons in Dubai last Christmas, hoping to get them interested in the music and they adored it - a huge hit!
ReplyDeleteLove your films, except the Irish one that I don't know, & anything to do with St Trinians which I can't stand!!! Well usually but not always.
ReplyDeleteGood food. Nothing sweet. Or wobbly.
Fantasia, a favourite that we watch at Christmas, St Trinians I am looking forward to watch, Misa Eire I don't know if I could bear to. Yeats's poem Easter 1916 I have always found very moving :
ReplyDelete"We know their dream; enough to know they dreamed and are dead.......... I write it out in verse, Macdonagh and MacBride, and Conolly and Pearse, Now and in time to be, Wherever green is worn, Are changed, changed utterly, A terrible beauty is born."
One poet remembered in another's poem for as long as poetry is read.
The crispy potato pancakes sound lovely.
DeleteThe only film I have seen from your choices ,Stasia is"The prime of Miss Jean Brodie"
ReplyDeleteLoved it and the book too.
I think our Latin mistress must have read the book because she was always telling us something similar --probably in Latin- because we were chosen to take her subject
I would quite like to try placki .
Where do Windmills of your mind and Hello Mother ,hello father come into all this.
They are both -at different times fortunately - going through my mind now.
Interesting that many of the films chosen by bloggers have not been recent ones although I did get two of the more recent films which were recommended by bloggers.
The Cinema Paradisco I have watched and loved.
I still have to watch "My best friend's wedding ."
Stasia - was that St Trinian’s film the one with Alastair Sim playing the headmistress and a very young George Cole playing a spiv? If so, it was one of my favourites too.
ReplyDeleteI have always loved Alastair Sim since seeing him as Scrooge in Christmas Carol when I was still at school. I followed all his films with great enjoyment - not so much George Cole though!
It’s about skullduggery around horse racing and the Cheltenham Gold Cup. Needless to say there are a lot of other illicit antics being carried out by the girls. Many of the Female actors were very good comedians. Another of my favourites is The Great St Trinian’s Train Robbery.
DeleteIt's the train one that I saw at about ten, all I remember are the girls in uniform on top of one.
DeleteVery amusing reading all the posts above after Stasia's choice of films.
ReplyDeleteI saw the autocheck mistake - Missouri - and smiled then at GGs response which was clearly not understood by Stasia, then was able to follow the other posts and was able to see how they fitted in to the scenario.
' Windmills ' is often whirling slowly around my mind, an 'ear bug' I'm happy to have.
I loved all the St Trinians films and remember Fantasia so well.
Watched Miss Brodie recently again.
How fortunate our generation has been to have had the likes of Maggie Smith as a contemporary. Well up there with those film stars of the forties, our mothers heroins, IMO.
Janice, yes rhetoric is fine for discussion with others, but poetry is a conversation we have with ourselves. Reading your lines from Yeats left me feeling emotional.
ReplyDeletePrior to the uprising of 1916 Ireland was represented In literature through Romantic idealism and politically through metaphors. For example, the poem /song Roisin Dubh is a love song to Ireland written in the 16th century.
Yeats poetry moved from the romantic to a form of realism. He was also involved in Celtic myth and folklore and a longing for revival from something in Ireland’s past Padraig Pearse shared this sentiment but he focused on the Irish la;gauge.
Thank you.
What an interesting post, Stasia.
DeleteThere is a musical version of Roisin Dubh on youtube played by cello and a 4000 year old bronze age horn found in Ireland. I like the idea of a very old ballad being played by an ancient instrument, something to do with continuity down the ages I suppose.
DeleteThe "gyres of time", Yeats again.
DeleteZoetrope. Again thank you for the nudge.🤗
ReplyDeleteYou're welcome, Stasia. 🤗
DeleteI have missed your interesting and witty posts.
I am looking forward to seeing your film choices,Stasia, when I get home and have wifi again. I love Fantasia.
ReplyDeleteCarolyn, how was your visit to London, with the surround-sound?
ReplyDeleteLanjan, 8.53am,
ReplyDeleteI commented earlier (last night), that the music in the clip from Fantasia reminded me of the song 'Hello Mother, hello Father'.
Late to catch up but at least familiar with 3 of your choices, Stasia ! Fantasia is visually stunning, the way the imagery fits with the music, the best Disney I've ever seen. St. Trinians, always a hoot, & Jean Brodie a masterpiece. Read the book before seeing a stage production, & later, thefilm. Wonderfully self deluded, yet charismatic character + so many memorable lines as others have said.
ReplyDeleteDon't know the other 2 but definitely tempted by the Irish film.
Probably wouldn't care for the food - don't care for anything very spicey.
Many thanks !
The song hello muddah hello faddah was aired on the Alan Sherman show using the music from the Fantasia clip
ReplyDeleteIt was a boy at summer camp complaining about the weather. It can be found on utube
I'm late to comment on the choices also but I did love Prime of Miss Jean Brodie. Fantasia I've seen bits of and the same with St. Trinian's. The other two are unknown to me.
DeleteI'd enjoy the potato cakes but not with soft egg on top. I once ordered a seven minute egg with salad thinking it would be hard-boiled. When it came it was soft boiled egg over lettuce leaves - yuck, revolting.
May I recommend.............?
ReplyDeleteWhen we actually chose our Desert Island Discs I often listened to the choices when doing the ironing.
This morning ,when ironing in a cool kitchen I listened to a selection of Soul Music on Sounds.
Several of our choices are there .
For example Back to Black,Hallelujah ,When you walk through a storm ...
People say why they have chosen that particular piece of music.
Ironing finished for the day.
We are expecting 36degrees here.
Hot enough already with the fan on and patio door open
Placki. Is a simple dish of grated potatoes, onions, and matzoh flour or ordinary flour. My mother added garlic. Plus seasoning. It is important to squeeze the water out of the potato. It is the made into pancake shape and shallow fried until crispy. Same as Latkes.
ReplyDeleteIn Poland it is served with sour cream.
It a bugger to make. Try grating onions and the upper are strength needed to grate the potatoes require the energy of someone on uppers. The downer will be natural.
Sounds a bit like hash browns which I love ,Stasia.
ReplyDeleteBasia(11.09am), asking about my London Adventure yesterday (hot enough, but today would have been unbearable). Well, despite the uncomfortable necessity of a mask, which I don't believe has been proved to be effective at all ( unless reducing everyone's oxygen supply is the aim !) Even Those who Purport to Know don't seem that sure either. Regardless, it was a VERY rewarding day indeed & I was so happy to break the spell of local imprisonment & go out on train, tube & bus after so many months.
ReplyDeleteThere were plenty of people out & about in central London, but not half so crowded as it is in usual times, which was pleasant in itself.
The Picasso show at the Royal Academy was very varied - focusing on his work on paper, but with some related paintings as well - totally engrossing & inventive beyond superlatives. Unfortunately, couldn't see all this big exhibition & not be late for hair apt., so did indulge in the catalogue which was considerably reduced in price, thus I will be 'seeing' the works I had to miss.
Coffee in the front courtyard of the RA, where I shared some of a croissant with the pigeons...
Haircut was just the ticket - that lad really does know what he's doing - shape restored, bouncy, just made it to the tube before the rush hour ( I suppose there IS still one ?), feeling as bouncy as I felt the locks to be 😀 Glad to see all the salon staff wore shields rather than masks, which would have been unbearable throughout a long day, doing what they do.
Surround sound, Basia - mmn, have yet to adjust to that, but have been told it will take 6 months. Pretty overwhelming with traffic noise & all sorts.
I'm glad that your visit was well worth it Carolyn, keeping body & soul together.
DeleteWhat a lovey day out, and sounded just what you needed.
DeleteThe haircut sounds fab. I felt like you, after mine was done, human again - after a drastic re-shape. I washed it this morning, and what a difference as went into my new style, only taking 5 mins to dry + style. The sign of a good cut.. ✂️
I expect the hair stylists, are loving providing their skill again.
MrsP - Because of my very quick labours my husband was only there for Jon's birth (third child) Can't say he was any more interested in Jon than in the other three or that he is closer to him. He mostly ignored the children after he left us and occasionally vists eldest in Germany now and had visited daughter in Aus once. He did go out to Frankfurt two weeks ago to cat/house sit when eldest took family to Rhodes as I couldn't travel to do it. So he is useful occasionally! 😆
ReplyDeleteAfter a very sunny, but breezy day (my washing dried in 2hrs), it has become cloudy.
ReplyDeleteThe breeze has now gone, the temparature has increased and also, it is now very humid!!
I am dripping - sorry, this is perhaps far too much information. 😣.
I have no more windows, nor doors, to open, to try and cool my house down.
I am in the garden, continuing reading a book, which I just cannot put down, as it is so intriguing. 📖
It is:- Peter Robinson - Many Rivers to Cross. This is a detective novel. Archerphile, might know it...and I think that I have sussed "who did it", if my little grey cells, are still working.
DeleteMy niece, who works for a council, has had to cut her holiday short, and work again, today. She works in an area - is it Cheshire or Greater Manchester, and is there an overlap? This is still being debated, but she is definitely working again, as a more definite Lockdown could happen again.
ReplyDeleteAt least she has managed to have, 2 nights away in an airbnb in N. Wales with her partner and 2 wonderful children. It was not enough though, well in my opinion.
LanJan 8.53am Re Windmills of you Mind:
ReplyDeleteLast month Parsley listed The Thomas Crown Affair as a possible alternative film choice, after which there followed a discussion about the merits, or otherwise, of the song (I believe it was described as the largest collection of cliches someone had ever heard). I understand that the lyrics were intentionally written in the 'stream of consciousness' style to parallel the glider sequence it was to accompany. I was only remarking that it's been streaming through my consciousness ever since, (not helped by hearing it on the original DID in the meantime) and no one has managed to choose a film with an equally persistent theme song to encourage it out of my head.
Dirty Dancing, with the song, The Time of Your Life - is mine...Sorry that I cannot acknowledge, who chose that film.
DeleteI have just ordered flowers, to be delievered to both my sisters. I have done this - as a big thank-you to them both- for their support with 'phone calls, messages etc. when I was totally home alone (apart from pusscat) in Lockdown.
ReplyDeleteYou lot, did exactly the same...the best I can do is... 🌹🌻🌼🏵 but the feeling is the same.
That's me now, for a few days
Miriam Xx
A pleasure we have all enjoyed with you Miriam - thanks to you Gary 👏🏻
DeleteThat is the great thing about this blog: I think all of it is reciprocated. We have all benefitted.
DeleteThree cheers for Gary! Thank you, Gary!
Not read Peter Robinson’s latest book yet Miriam but it’s on my reading list.
ReplyDeleteI started my 14 day isolation today. Got a letter from Clinic this morning saying that Mr A should self isolate too. We are supposed to sleep in separate rooms, use separate bathrooms (we only have the one), not be in the kitchen at the same time, eat in separate rooms and use separate crockery, cutlery etc.
This seems way over the top to me (and him!)
We do not go out anywhere, except he goes to pick up the click- &- collect shopping, we are not seeing neighbours as they are away on the Isle if Wight, and we won’t be seeing any family, even on daughters Silver wedding next week. We have had no visitors, so this ultra strict isolation seems unnecessary.
Thanks to Covid precautions, on the day of the op, he has to get me to the Clinic at 7.30am and drop me at the door. He’s not allowed to come in with me or sit in the room with me while I wait for the procedure.
When they say I can go home in the afternoon, I have to ring him to come and collect me. Then go and look for his car in the carpark
When my neighbour had this op at the same place, earlier this year, her husband could stay in the room with her and they were both given a very nice lunch! She said she really appreciated having his support.
Never mind, Covid has changed everything!
It does seem excessive, but as you say Archerphile, since your contact with the outside world is minimal you're using your common sense and won't put anyone at risk.
DeleteYou already had a trial run earlier this year when you rushed MrA to hospital and had to wait outside. Yes, it'd be nice if he could go in with you but as you say, these are not normal times.
A blow tonight for all the people shielding a two week (at least) extension. Good reason behind it as cases are on the rise again - I’m sure many would have taken their new “freedom” very slowly but at least in their mind the choice would have at last been there. So my thoughts are with them one and all and 🤞🏼 for sensible behaviour from the masses to help us all to keep spikes small 🙏🏼
ReplyDeleteHow lovely to go to the RA, Carolyn.
ReplyDeleteIt was, Hilary, one of my favourite places. Really inspiring exhibitions, so intelligently curated.
DeleteI went to eye clinic yesterday. When Botox therapy starts again, don’t know when, I’ll have to isolate for 14 days and have a Covid test 72 hours before hand. Have elected to wait for this treatment rather than the 12 week steroid infusions because we’d both have to go into shielding for the 12 weeks. 1.....this is just impractical for us and the dog!
ReplyDelete2.... I’d kill mr PtbY if we were together for 12 weeks with no escape.
We are having some spectacular lightening at the mo. The thunder is just a faint rumble though. Going to be an uncomfortable, sticky night for us all I think.
PtbY
DeleteThis Covid business seems to be affecting everything doesn’t it?
I’m not surprised you don’t relish the thought of 12 weeks isolation - neither would I! Hopefully the Botox therapy will be successful when you get it.
I also have to go for a Covid test 72 hours before treatment. I’m going to be pretty cheesed off if they say I’m positive after all this isolation and then delay treatment.
But who know what might happen?
I’m keeping everything crossed for you to get your treatment without too
Much delay - and that it is successful, of course.
Such trying times for all of us.
ReplyDeleteWe are carrying on with our prudent local shopping, as rarely as possible. 5 nights away were quite enough, merci infiniment. Well into the silly season here.
Never mind, birthday meal out demain! 🦁🦁
Small local resto, well organised ré gestes barrières.
a mere 26.8° in the bedroom at the moment.
ReplyDeleteGoing down.
Relief from yesterday's max of 40° in the shade.
My idea of hell. Was 27 in Glasgow yesterday and I was bitching about it non-stop!
Delete37 here!😱😥
DeleteHappy birthday for tomorrow Parsley. You share a birthday with my goddaughter.
ReplyDelete🎂🎉🎁🍨
Oops its tomorrow already! Time I went to sleep earlier.
DeleteSounds like your choice a no brainer, PtbY !
ReplyDeleteEven in normal times, wouldn't be surprised if you'd have opted for the Botox rather than steroids but as it is, very sorry to hear you've got yet another indefinite period of waiting.
I really do wonder if all these precautions are actually necessary, but nothing one can do....
You always come across as admirably stoical, despite the discomfort & inconvenience of living with the eye patch. Very much hope you don't have to wait many more weeks/months for the treatment.
AP, one day less of self isolation now ! The detailed restrictions you described sound totally ludicrous, & insulting, treating people like idiots. I'm with Basia on this, & I'm sure you & Mr AP will let common sense inform your behaviour.
ReplyDeleteAll the best for the eventual treatment & much improved vision !
The trouble is Carolyn, that some are 'idiots' but most of us know how to adapt.
DeleteHere there's frequent publicity to remind us that it hasn't gone away and some local authorities have been given powers to make masks compulsory outside as well. I don't mind as long as I don't have to justify the reason for leaving the house, like before.
Parsley - Bonne fete from the Grand Est!
ReplyDeletePtbY - All the best with the ongoing treatment.
ReplyDeleteDon't blame you waiting for the treatment P tbY.
ReplyDeleteAll the best to you when it happens .
With your positive attitude and sense of humour you will be fine .
Thanks all of you.
ReplyDeleteIt’ll sort. There’s worse off than me.
I’ve grown quite attached to my patch.
Oh and. ....,..
ReplyDeleteHAPPY YORKSHIRE DAY🎉🎉🎉
Gods own county. Not that I’m biased or anything.....I just KNOW we’re the best. Lol.
Happy Yorkshire Day! 💮
DeleteI agree with Gary ✔️
DeletePtbY. What a bummer! I admire your stoicism.
ReplyDeleteparsley. Have a joyously 🥳 happy birthday. 🎍🍸🍹
Happy birthday from me too, Parsley!
ReplyDelete🎂 ⭐️ 🎈🎉 ptby
DeleteOops parsley!! (not a morning person 🙃)
DeleteMany thanks for all your birthday wishes!
ReplyDeleteGrey & muggy here this am, lots of grumbly thunder, about 2mins of so-called rain, that's it. Grumbled off somewhere else.
I hope you are a very happy lion today parsley!
DeletePrrrr 🐯🦁
DeleteUnfortunately this virus is being managed by muddled politicians who shape policy generalisations by manipulating evidence from the scientific community. Such decisions are, I suppose made with the greater population in mind and not the specific circumstances of each individual.
ReplyDeleteThis virus has no regard for individuals/families and general populations. What we have to do is listen to the scientists and Hope that they have undertaken a number Of statistically evidenced based laboratory procedures and deduced methods for containment to prevent spread of the disease.
For example, the science shows that droplets from the human body can be projected through a sneeze much further than previously thought. We frequently touch our face and nasal area and it Is via this action that we inadvertently infect others.
It is human behaviour that the virus relies on to perpetuate its existence and it is humanity its self that is at risk. Management of our behavioural actions can curtail the contagion 😷 and whilst wearing a mask, constantly washing our hands, and keeping our distance from others sounds anti instinctive it is the only protection we have until a vaccine is developed.
It is very understandable that many individuals are angry about the curtailment and confinement of every day life but sadly 60,000 people have died in the U.K. thus far. I feel sorry for the families having to cope (in some areas) with multiple deaths.
Pandemics are historically not new phenomena and we should have been prepared. I sat on a SARS planning committee preparing for an epidemic which thankfully didn’t happen in the U.K.
There should have been contingency plans for this virus, we knew about in the winter of 2019.
Management is key and cooperation with each other is currently the only way we can protect ourselves.
I shall now take a drive to Durham to test my eyesight and mental stability. Or is that Missouri.
Last para, Stasia, 😂🥴🤣
DeleteThis virus is so unknown that in a way we can’t blame politicians for getting it wrong. They are treading into the dark. The only consolation is that the scientists do know more about it than they did at the beginning. As far as I can see the only two solutions are that a vaccine is found and delivered or that the virus burns itself out. In the meantime all we can do is to follow the guidelines if we can understand them! I am still avoiding shops by online deliveries. Next week I have to go to the dentist which I dread even more than usual! I also have an appointment with the podiatrist but this is the second one in lockdown so I know what to expect. What a strange year it has been!
DeleteFor crying out loud Stasia! What part of "No politics" don't you understand?
DeleteThat is uncalled for, Spicy.
DeleteStasia, any of us, are entitled to express an opinion, no one is required to respond if they don't want to discuss such matters here. As it happens, Stasia's overview is shared by many people in these testing times & is not inflammatory in any way.
Please don't let's stifle freedom of speech on this blog. It is not a fascist police state in miniature, never has been.
No it is not uncalled for! Gary (with the support of many of the bloggers) has asked on at least three occasions for no politics!
DeleteOf course we are allowed free speech but I believed we had agreed that we would NOT include our political opinions and beliefs here on The Archers Fan Blog. Almost everyone of us has abided by the 'rule,' since the occasion when it all broke down while Gary was away for a fortnight's holiday last year (I think.)
I have been indirectly referred to as a Neo-Nazi by Stasia and I am fed up with her (and only her) continually inserting little political jibes.
Well if everyone wants to cause acrimony here then I'll leave you all to it for the timebeing. I have the email addresses of several, so I can 'chat' to them in the meantime.
Perhaps when I see that all are prepared to go along with the majority opinion I'll be happier.
Apologies from me for being so sensitive!
I think this is more about our individual experiences of the virus and our way of coping with the resulting restrictions rather than the politics involved and if we read more than that into it then we are being over sensitive.
DeleteJoyeux Anniversaire, Parsley, profitez de votre journée spéciale 💕 🎈🎉 🍷🎂
ReplyDeleteDon't drive further than your allotment Stasia!
ReplyDeletePeople wore masks in the Middle Ages.
Apparently smokers propagate their breath even further and they take masks off to smoke.
I was quite a distance away from someone who'd eaten garlic and could still smell it, well it's supposed to be a universal cure for all ills, so perhaps the effect was neutralised.
I have heard that garlic is particularly effective where vampires are concerned
ReplyDeleteYes, but vampires are immune to coronavirus. (Or so I've read on social media somewhere ...)
DeleteRe. smoking and the virus I remember years ago when on a geography field trip and standing at the top of Malham Tarn I could smell someone smoking over 200 feet below. I wonder if the virus could be carried that far in the smoke.
ReplyDeleteThe main beaches and tourist destinations in Cornwall are packed with happy holidaymakers who think they are safe from the virus and that social distancing doesn't apply here. Also I am ashamed to say some car parks are charging exorbitant prices, no doubt trying to make up for lost income.
Merci AP !
ReplyDeleteThe sun's out, again... 🌞🌞
Let this be a virus free blog.
ReplyDeleteHappy Birthday Parsley .
ReplyDeleteAlready celebrated Yorkshire day by having several mugs of Yorkshire Tea.
The area around us is heaving with tourists. You don't know where they've come from and what they bring. A lot of west yorkshire accents, ie more ethnic areas. I'll stop at home thanks very much.
ReplyDeleteHappy birthday Parsley. Can't beat a Leo!
From my reading of Stasia's post it is more about the science, psychology and philosophy behind what we are living through, than it is about politics.
ReplyDeleteWe are all frustrated that new found freedoms are at risk of being curtailed, whether that is for family /social events or longer waits for hospital treatment. It doesn't help when we hear reports of crowds on beaches or other examples of large numbers of people flouting the guidelines and putting others at risk.
Agree totally with your first paragraph, Zoetrope.
DeleteAlso think personal attacks are more objectionable than statements of opinion about anything.
It is neither political, philosophical, religious or any other subject that is intrinsically a problem, nor expressing disagreement in fact, but anger directed personally, is.
But perhaps we should stick with Lanjan's suggestion for this blog to be virus free.
ReplyDeleteI think expressing our thoughts about the virus and our individual experience and reaction to restrictions have been very helpful and if we carry on adding to the list of subjects to avoid we will have nothing to talk about! We need to support each other by sharing life experiences and getting independent advice when we encounter difficulties.
DeleteTrue !
DeleteYes, that's true Ev.
DeleteI suppose I was just trying to agree with a 'get-out' in case the topic became too controversial ... 🤔
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DeleteOops,posted twice by mistake 🙄. Can't seem to be able to delete,
DeleteOh! It worked 😂
DeleteParsley, happy birthday 💐🎂🎈🎁
ReplyDeleteIt’s so horribly muggy here today, going out in the garden is like being slapped in the face with a warm wet flannel
ReplyDeleteYuk
Bother weeding, back to jigsaw 🥵
Spicycushion, I remember the time you are referring to. I was surprised by the strength of feeling but since I no longer live in the UK, I felt it was not my place to express an opinion and I have no say in what happens there. People often misunderstand each other, even when speaking face to face, let alone in writing. I hope you'll be back before long, look after yourself.
ReplyDeleteZoetrope, that is is exactly what my comment was about. It was in reference to carolyn’s comments and AP’s and husbands enforced Isolation in their own home. As a retired psychiatric medic I do understand the difficulty many experience in having their behaviour remodified and the frustration that results in watching others go against the guidance.
ReplyDeleteMy final comment was to myself and alluded to Gary’s joke about my failure to SEE the predictive mistake in my film choices.
Spicycushion.
I make no apology for any of my comments.
If it is you wish to leave the blog then so be it.
I cannot speak for Spicycushion obviously but I imagine that it was the fact that the phrase " Muddled politicians "was mentioned.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Ev that we cannot blame politicians for getting it wrong..
I wouldn't be in their shoes.
They are doing their best I am sure.
Let us leave it at that,please.
I couldn't resist a quick look in, with the intention of definitely not posting. Well, that hasn't happened, but I will be short...
ReplyDeleteMy feelings are simply this:-
The rules and regulations keep changing. These are for each + every-one's benefit, to try and keep things, under control.
Even the scientists, who are working so hard in this pandemic, do not know exactly, what could happen next.
I will just follow all the guide-lines, as the experts certainly know more than I do!
PS I was horrified, when I saw the photos of the over crowded beaches, from all around the country. Little Sis, in N.Norfolk (very near many beaches), says she feels like a prisoner in her own home, and is not going out, just now.
If this becomes a virus free zone, as has been suggested, then I will abide with this, just like following the new rules.
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DeleteLanjan - I understood your 'virus free' in a broader sense, please correct if I'm wrong.
ReplyDeleteStasia - 60k? I heard 46k today.
Final comment (and BTW I have NO intention of leaving the blog permanently. ) I have no objection to people commenting on Covid 19 and I do understand frustrations of isolation having been indoors since I had pneumonia in February. Only contact, apart from sons, have been with phone calls and certainly no trips, not even for groceries, to the shops in five months.
ReplyDeleteWhat I objected to was 'muddled politicians,' 'manipulating statistics' and the snide comment referring to a member of staff at 10 Downing Street. Especially as have been specifically asked to refrain from political comments.
Obviously as in all walks of life rules apply to some and some choose to ignore them.
Please do enjoy the sunshine, cricket, gardening etc everyone. I am going to settle down and watch the FA Cup Final then take part in the worldwide online 'Pub Quiz' - all from my armchair!
Spicycushion
Only just caught up with the recent posts here and am distressed that you feel the need to leave us for a while.
DeleteIt is becoming more and more difficult not to mention the virus and it’s effects on everyone’s lives. But I agree that political opinions should not be aired here, any more than Brexit was for a long time, because such subjects can cause great arguments, mud-slinging and upset. And we most definitely don’t want that.
So please enjoy a little break from our ‘out of Ambridge’ blog, enjoy your garden, football and TV and return when things are a little quieter.
I shall greatly miss your contributions here, but hope to see you on the Archers blog, especially when normality resumes. 😊
Totally agree take care Spicy, we will be thinking of you 😍
DeleteArcherphile....You will be fine.
ReplyDeleteI went by taxi to the hosp. to get there by 7.30am. I was on my own and sat on my own. I am a chatty person, so I soon engaged in conversation with others who were also nervous and waiting, even though we were all sitting apart, and this was last year!
After the procedure/s, I left on my own, got into a taxi outside, and I then spent my recovery days in my home, just me + pusscat. It was absolutely fine. Just remember, every-one else will be in the same position, as you will be, and the staff will know this.
Thank you Miriam, that is very reassuring.
DeleteI’m too used to having Mr A’s support.
Of course I can do this.
If you can, I can. 😄
I can imagine how you feel Archerphile and it’s understandable within your own circumstances but to echo Miriam once inside the hospital and with events under way you will be so taken up with the miracle op 👁 you are about to have that will carry you forward.
DeleteIn latter years I have had to go several times on my own as Mr R would not be able to do the waiting about (and could not come and go as he does not drive) so when I had a Gastroscopy I drove myself which meant throat spray only otherwise not allowed to drive and other procedures where that applied I booked a Care Car. First time felt strange but good too once achieved and don’t forget we will all be with you in spirit 🥰
I was really thinking of of the Covid Virus ,Basia
ReplyDeleteThis blog is a way of escaping the unpleasant things that are going on at the moment.
If there is good news about Covid then fine, let us mention it.
If they find a vaccine -wonderful.
Otherwise I would prefer not to talk about
Meanwhile
Chelsea or Arsenal?
Brentford(Mr LJ's team ) or Fulham (who was my dad's.)
At least I don't have to worry about Liverpool any more for the time being.
Lancashire are playing a home game at Worcester today !
The cricket world has gone mad.
I do understand your viewpoint.
DeleteThis situation, is affecting many in very differing ways, with some more affected than others. Home lives are being affected, and hence, the change is mentioned in posts.
As GG is the administrator -then his decision is the one I will follow.
What a precedence has now been put onto him. This is after all his great works, both past + present, which I so appreciate.
And there was me thinking you were being cleverly witty Lanjan.
DeleteHave only just logged on for the first time today.
ReplyDeleteI am sorry to see discord has broken out on this blog, but can understand why when oblique comments are made regarding the politicians currently in control of what and how we are advised to do, regarding the current health of the nation.
Personally I do see the post - August 1st - 9.48am - as a political opinion and as such do regard it as not being conducive to the well being and harmony on this blog.
I do not wish to see any contributor leave or cease blogging, but would agree that we continue to avoid making political statements of any kind, open or oblique, that may invite inflammatory responses.
My zoom sessions have started again, this time on painting water. This is the latest effort and I’m going to try it again as I wasn’t too happy with the mountains and water but at least it gave me clues on how to do reflections. They need some work too! We finished the day with a takeaway Italian in the garden on the lovely sunny evening. I could almost pretend I was in Tuscany! Next Thursday we are painting a waterfall which should be challenging getting the effect of running water. Katy did a zoom session today on coastal defences from an archaeological viewpoint. It included people from all over UK as far as Scotland. It would be a long way to travel for a day course! The painting sessions include people from all over the world, this week nearly 140 of us. It makes it very interesting. No travelling which is a bonus!
ReplyDeleteThere are now 4 broods of piglets at Quarr. The latest was all of 13 babies and one sadly dead. That was according to the Birdwatcher who Katy regularly encounters on the morning walk with the boys. Dudley always rushes to see them! This evening he let me put his harness on while not sitting on my lap! Progress!
I think the reflections are convincing, Ev, especially the water under & around the figures. What an intense visual focus must be maintained- I'm impressed !
DeleteI’m beyond impressed Ev, a painting to give great pleasure to the viewer I felt I was there myself and could smell the sea air and hear the waves 🤗 👏🏻
DeleteHard to tell from the tiny picture, but it looks good to me.
DeleteThe only painting I do is painting loo rolls for children's crafts, and one room every 5 years or so. Oh yes, I can paint a pretty good black cat in a coal cellar, or a polar bear in a blizzard - providing both animals keep their eyes shut : )
If lockdown hadn't messed everything up I was going to say to you Ev to look out for an art exhibition at Quarr Abbey in the Autumn. Don't think it will happen now but there was something coming up from here as part of one of the exhibits.
ReplyDeleteYou never know, Janice. It might still happen and will keep my eyes open!
DeleteEv -
ReplyDeleteI think your painting is amazing, even though it is not clear on this site - for me that is, others may be able to see it clearly on different devices - but even so the reflections are so very good.
Like C I too am impressed, and thank you for allowing us to see your efforts.
Janice - if you are aware of artists and artistic works near to you, do you know of Eric Morse ?
I don't know him Mrs P. He is further down south, but his art works remind me of looking through Kaleidoscopes, and as a child I thought they were magical, like entering another world full of colour. I don't remember who recommended watching the Repair Shop, Archerfile maybe?, but I have been enjoying watching them and there was one where an old kaleidoscope was mended.
ReplyDeleteStasia I found your Placki recipe interesting, because my Philippino daughter in law makes something similar with grated carrots and potatoes mixed with flour and egg.
I think their flour is a bit different from ours, because she can't get scones to rise properly out there.
She is a dear, and even though she is more at home with a wok than with baking in that hot climate she has mastered baking pasties (vegetarian ), and can crimp them better than I can, makes cakes, and is now endeavoring to produce scones and jam and cream all to please her Cornish husband.
The right-hand-side of the woodland area of my garden is now planted with bronze ferns and clumps of bright grass, circling Solomon's cat memorial which sleeps among the logs donated by a friend. It is said that to plant a garden is to believe in the future; mine is now so uncertain that I only do it to exercise my creative instincts and keep me occupied. Even if I'm still permitted to be here when churches re-open in September, worshippers in masks have no need of an organist.
ReplyDeleteIncidentally, the solicitor's advice is to continue with my policy of keeping my head down and my mouth shut. I must paraphrase his opinion, which was, broadly speaking, to assume that officials whose minds are constantly exercised by continually changing public health issues won't have time to worry about immigration.
ReplyDeleteSarnia, it's awful that you still have this worry and threat hanging over you.
ReplyDeleteYour garden sounds beautiful and must bring you a lot of joy.
Thank you, Zoetrope, it most certainly does - a refuge in a sea of troubles.
DeleteEv - I’m super-impressed with your painting. It’s such a shame photos get a little blurry on here, so that we can’t see it in perfect focus.
ReplyDeleteWhat I most admire, is your ability to paint people so realistically. I could manage the water and reflections but can’t portray a human being at all, even my stick-men look wrong! Consequently all my paintings are devoid of humans and I do think pictures with people in are so more interesting and convincing.
Looking forward very much to viewing your waterfall!
Ev. I also love your paintings. Are you in your blue period?
DeleteLike carolyn I love going round art galleries and museums. When we lived in London all the galleries were our favourite haunts and then having been satiated headed to Soho for coffee. I do miss that aspect of London life the nearest thing to artistic culture round these parts is either Birmingham or Oxford.
I do have a few paintings 🖼 which we bought when working. Mainly scenes of Cornwall and Ireland. Now many paintings are not within my finances.
Basia. Regarding the allotment. The plot is large, 40 metres by 20 metres so maintainIng it requires a lot of walking. Very good all round exercise. Lots of veg to crop.
Check out the saying of Samuel Longhorne Clemens.
Yes,Stasia! Am going through the ultramarine at a rapid rate of knots! Maybe a rose period next! Thank you all for your kind comments which give me such encouragement to keep working at it! Household chores etc get in the way and maybe I should just retire to a Garret or win the premium bonds and have loads of ladies what does!😉
ReplyDeleteWell, Ev, I'm impressed!
ReplyDeleteSarnia, thinking of you.. 💕
Grey morning here, pleasantly cool.
Janice - re Kaleidoscopes, me too.
ReplyDeleteI knew him in Malmesbury forty five years ago, but couldn't afford a painting then. Never kept in touch but have googled him in recent years so know that he is in your vicinity.
Perhaps when I'm down there sometime I will look him up.
I seem to remember learning about synesthesia ( sp? ) through him, I believe he has it, or something similar. Conversations recollected from many decades back.
I know that is a discussion we've had on here in the past. KP comes to mind !
I am very impressed with your painting Eve. Did the course in Tuscany help or were you always talented?
ReplyDeleteEv. I am so sorry, but I cannot see your painting..
ReplyDeleteWell Done for your talent and patience, to create something memorable.
I am like Eve tonight - in that temptation is taking hold, but not an apple..
ReplyDeleteI went to a garage today, on a pre-booked appointment, wearing a mask and using hand gel.
My temptation is not an apple, but a new car...so I am very busy, number crunching along with a red hot calculator. I also need to book a chat with my "Money Man"..
I apologise in advance, if my post offends others...it was not intended.
DeleteMiriam- if you click on the name - Ev - her profile will come up, then you can enlarge the picture to the left.
ReplyDeleteGood luck.
Thanks so much for the information. I have tried, but this just doesn't work for me. This is so very sad, as I am not able to see Ev's wonderful work. 😭😭
DeleteYou have to click on the actual name and not the picture. This should open my profile and you will see a bigger picture.
DeleteMiriam.....not offended in the slightest. Each to his own.
ReplyDeleteWhat make of car are you fancying? A newer of what you’ve got or something different?
I love the smell of a fresh car.
Ev, your painting is lovely.
ReplyDeleteEv, well done.
DeleteMiriam, apologies for what, spending money, buying a polluting vehicle?
ReplyDeleteI only drove cars passed down to me for all of ten years, not much need in a town.
My nephews bought cars and sold them, they share my sister's for out of town trips.
Modern cars pollute less than older ones. Katy’s car is now 5 years old, a Citroen C3. The emissions are low and it comes under the old system for road tax. She pays £20 per year based on its low pollution. I’m sure Miriam has taken this into account as she decides on whether to purchase a new car.😊
DeleteI do understand, so there's no need to apologise.
DeleteI know next to nothing about cars.
Miriam enjoy.
Gianna @5.02 yesterday. I always drew from an early age. Mum could never keep up with the demand for paper! I am still learning to paint though! The Tuscany holidays have helped in a lot of ways. The tutor, an American lady, has a very different style to mine as she can dash off a painting in a very short time with a lot of mo event and colour. Very effective but my drawing background means I like the working of detail. She calls me her fiddler but praises my drawing ability! I have been further helped by these zoom sessions which are led by a. British artist, another tutor at the Mill. Doing the painting in stages with him starting with the drawing has suited me. The London College of Art course I am doing is from a file you work through with an assignment at the end of chapters, 7 in all and I have done three. Then you get feedback which is useful but can be a bit discouraging. The latest one gave tedious details of how to paint clouds where I felt I’d done a good job! It can take the enjoyment away but I will persevere! Way back when I did a computer course I found this way of learning good just working through a file in your own time but I was at college and had tutors on hand when I needed to ask questions! Anyway, will continue to enjoy zoom lessons and the encouragement I have had from others on this blog has meant so much! Thank you all!
ReplyDeleteEv, I can imagine it can be frustrating to face criticism, however constructive, if you feel you've done your best. Like all artists you have your unique style. Like Archerphile I like to see people or their evidence, like washing on the line.
DeleteIs it reasonable to assume Ev that despite your drawing abilities you did not go to art school ?
ReplyDeleteYour early years using up paper is similar to my granddaughter.
I used to get free damaged rolls of wallpaper from a local ironmongers for my two to draw on the back of. They got through loads! The textured ones were perfect for making ‘brass-rubbing’ type pictures.
DeleteWe grew up using the back of the computer paper Dad brought home from work. Reams and reams of the stuff, all zigzagged together with rows of holes along the edge :)
DeleteThat's brought back a memory for me Archerphile.
ReplyDeleteWhen my eldest started to crawl I bought lining paper and pinned it along all the walls in our flat and gave her crayons so that she could draw on the walls as it were.
Do any other jigsaw puzzle enthusiasts know about puzzles online ?
ReplyDeleteI discovered by chance yesterday and have done several since.
Small ones, but very nice calm pictures. Takes about ten to fifteen minutes to do.
Perfect for a small sit down break, with a cup of coffee or tea.
As I explore the site I hope to do more complex puzzles in time.
If anyone knows of other sites, please share.
jigsawexplorer.com/
DeleteI tend to change the setting to about 300 pieces.
Not as good as a real jigsaw but far more convenient - and gets round the fact that both my floor and coffee table are far too cluttered to put the jigsaw mat down.
No, Mrs P, I didn’t go to art school. I wanted to train as a primary school teacher but my Dad who was self employed didn’t want to have his finances gone into to secure a grant! Also with money short they wanted me to be out there earning and I just managed by the skin of my teeth to stay on for A levels. I got a B in Art which with standards then was good. A’s at A level were a rarity then. I was also under a lot of pressure at home so with a C in English and a D in History ( I misread a question which didn’t help!) I didn’t do badly. With no college or university in the picture I went for a Civil service job and unfortunately was put in DHSS which was very dispiriting. I stuck it out for two years and then thought what the hell and joined the WRNS. Home was not a happy place as parents were forever arguing and should have divorced! I came to terms with them in my forties when I decided that they had done their best in the circumstances. My art of course went on the back burner until years later I did a watercolour course when we lived in Dorset. Along the way child rearing, housekeeping, travelling around with Mike as he changed appointments in the Navy etc took my eyes off the ball although he kept prompting me to pursue my painting. When he died, on the one year anniversary I was in Italy and it all started again there. I’m just sorry it is so late in life but better late than never! I have never been all that confident with my art so again thank you all for your encouragement!
ReplyDeleteRe paper, my mum knew a chap who put posters up and he gave us his excess! At Christmas and birthdays she would slit open the card envelopes so that I could draw on the insides. Later I would spend all my pocket money on packs of typewriting paper which was relatively cheap. Yes, wallpaper was used as well!
Ev, you obviously have talent which lay dormant but you're developing it now.
DeleteI had a lovely hour long visit, to a car dealership yesterday, whilst wearing a mask.
ReplyDeleteI now know what I want, but can I get one?
So many thoughts are in my mind at the moment, and it will not happen very soon, as there is a lot to sort out.
It was a nice experience though, and a different type of outing, which might or not, come to fruition.
I am now feeling braver, going out + about and this is helping me, so much.
PS My sales person was a "sweetie", who understood both me + my situation, and was not pushy in the slightest. I got the information I needed and he was so helpful.
DeleteI was treated with respect, which I respected.
The other day I was honoured to receive an exclusive invitation to a very special discount event at our local car saleroom and the chance to drive away a brand new car at a special low price.
DeletePerhaps I should have passed the invitation on to you Miriam : )
As it is, we only got changed our car 18 months ago because our 11 year old Focus got shunted on the motorway. As everyone was hardly moving, the damage was minimal but the cost of fixing the dent on the bonnet was going to be more than the value of the car.
In the course of my car-owning life I have gradually worked up in size from a Mini to a Galaxy (to fit all the car seats in) and am now working my way down again. Current model is a Ka, I suspect the next one will need to be a Sinclair C5 : )
Miriam - re getting a new car. You're much braver than I am as I dread the thought of doing it but my car is getting old (like me!) and I really need to take the plunge. The thing is I can't think of anything more boring than looking at cars. To me they're just boxes that get you from a to b and always have been. I think I'm also rather attached to my old one as it's seen me through some horrible times.
DeleteArcherphile...I hope you are doing well in your, and Mr P's isolation. It will be worth it, when on August 15th, you will have brilliant vision, be it only in one eye, for now.
ReplyDeleteI finished the Peter Robinson book - Many Rivers To Cross -
today.
I recommend it to you, as it is so well written and intriguing.
My little grey cells are still functioning, as I sussed out the ending...
Thank you Miriam - I definitely have that one on my list.
DeleteI was going to mention a book to you today. I see there is a new Ann Cleeves about to be published, probably in early September, in her Vera series. It’s called “The Darkest Evening”. I have never been that keen on the Vera books so I probably won’t buy it, but if you enjoy Vera, it should be worth looking out for.
OwiaS - thanks for the info. I shall work my way up.
ReplyDeleteI have many puzzles but as I live very untidily there is never room to do them, so this might be a good solution for me.
Ev - your interesting read is similar to mine at the beginning of adulthood.
Out to work you ! Being the best description of parental attitudes to education.
I remember your trip to Italy to paint.
I am so pleased for you that you are at last progressing, however late in life it may be.
Mrs P - I would recommend - Jigsaw Puzzles Free - by Boy Howdy. Found on the Apps page of the iPad.
ReplyDeleteIt is completely free, no fees to be paid at all, it has a huge range of pictures under subject headings, and you can choose how many pieces you want your puzzle to have.
But the best bit is that you can choose one of your own photos and this app will turn it into a jigsaw for you. So if, for example, you have a nice photo of Lady, you can turn her into a jigsaw very quickly!